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Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also n

by veidr 11mo ago

Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)

PentiumBug 11mo ago
Interesting. Does Incus has support for storing virtual machine assets in a NFS store so they could be easily migrated?
unethical_ban 11mo ago
Proxmox is free, too. Incus looks nice, though it looks to be more API driven , at least from the landing page. I can't attest to Proxmox in a production/cluster environment but (barring GPU passthrough) it's very accessible for homelab and small network.
- Semaphor 11mo ago
  GPU passthrough works fine? I use that for transcoding in Jellyfin.
  - unethical_ban 11mo ago
    I don't remember if I tried and failed, or if it seemed too much for me... I have an Arc A series; if you have a verified guide I would like to take a look!
    - zer00eyz 11mo ago
      This may have more to do with your underlying hardware than proxmox itself. It's been forever, but to do passthrough you need proper bios support and configuration.
    - throw0101c 11mo ago
      Some folks got Intel Arc working: * https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/pci-passthrough-arc-a380-into-vm.146964/ https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/pci-passthrough-arc-a380-i...
  - proxysna 11mo ago
    Takes 10 minutes to setup and one reboot. Works flawlessly, Linux or Windows. vGPU is a different story though.
whalesalad 11mo ago
Proxmox is entirely free and very, very reliable. Personal preference is fine, but I really don't think any of your claims are true.
- hrimfaxi 11mo ago
  I thought you had to pay a fee to access their updates repository? It's been a while though so I may be mistaken.
  - richwater 11mo ago
    There's community update repositories you can swap out. I'm not really sure what the difference is.
    - ekropotin 11mo ago
      Enterprise repos are better tested and somewhat guarantee updates don’t explode anything.
    - moepstar 11mo ago
      The difference: the free repositories get the updates before the enterprise repo. So, the software versions that go into the enterprise repo are considered stable by then. (If we're talking about Proxmox, that is.)
abotsis 11mo ago
I’ve been looking at incus, and some aspects are appealing (creating a vm/container via cli). But I think proxmox having better clustering, and built in support for ceph, backups (with proxmox backup server)… proxmox just had a little more maturity behind it. I’ll be watching incus though.
- RamRodification 11mo ago
  > aspects are appealing (creating a vm/container via cli) Nothing is stopping you from doing this with Proxmox, right?
brandon272 11mo ago
I tried demo'ing Incus from their "Try it online" page but it just spins endlessly and nothing happens.
wantlotsofcurry 11mo ago
I was looking to setup Proxmox for my homelab soon but this comment got me interested in Incus. Mostly because I've never heard of any Proxmox alternatives before this. You can try out Incus in your browser here: https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/try-it/ https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/try-it/ The demo does take ~10m to get into a working instance.
- hrimfaxi 11mo ago
  Their site might be getting hugged, even the non-demo page is taking ages to load.
ekropotin 11mo ago
Dang it! I’ve just got comfortable with Proxmox, but now I have to start looking into Incus because of your comment.
SlavikCA 11mo ago
Looks like Incus has no GUI? Proxmox has nice web GUI
- veidr 11mo ago
  It has one[1] (optional). Proxmox has a shittier, but more featureful, web UI. [1]: https://blog.simos.info/how-to-install-and-setup-the-incus-web-ui/ https://blog.simos.info/how-to-install-and-setup-the-incus-w...
  - znpy 11mo ago
    i like the proxmox web ui. also, looking at the link you posted, it looks like incus can only do like a fraction of what proxmox can do. is that the case or is that web ui a limiting factor?
roger_ 11mo ago
IncusOS looks pretty interesting. It’s a new immutable distribution designed for Incus. When it matures I’ll look into switching from Proxmox.
rcarmo 11mo ago
Incus has a pretty bare-bones web UI without nary any metrics, which is a bit of a pain when you're trying to track down CPU hogs. Proxmox, on the other hand, makes things very much visible and easy to use.

by veidr 11mo ago

PentiumBug 11mo ago

Interesting. Does Incus has support for storing virtual machine assets in a NFS store so they could be easily migrated?

unethical_ban 11mo ago

Proxmox is free, too. Incus looks nice, though it looks to be more API driven , at least from the landing page. I can't attest to Proxmox in a production/cluster environment but (barring GPU passthrough) it's very accessible for homelab and small network.

Semaphor 11mo ago
GPU passthrough works fine? I use that for transcoding in Jellyfin.
- unethical_ban 11mo ago
  I don't remember if I tried and failed, or if it seemed too much for me... I have an Arc A series; if you have a verified guide I would like to take a look!
  - zer00eyz 11mo ago
    This may have more to do with your underlying hardware than proxmox itself. It's been forever, but to do passthrough you need proper bios support and configuration.
  - throw0101c 11mo ago
    Some folks got Intel Arc working: * https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/pci-passthrough-arc-a380-into-vm.146964/ https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/pci-passthrough-arc-a380-i...
- proxysna 11mo ago
  Takes 10 minutes to setup and one reboot. Works flawlessly, Linux or Windows. vGPU is a different story though.

whalesalad 11mo ago

Proxmox is entirely free and very, very reliable. Personal preference is fine, but I really don't think any of your claims are true.

hrimfaxi 11mo ago
I thought you had to pay a fee to access their updates repository? It's been a while though so I may be mistaken.
- richwater 11mo ago
  There's community update repositories you can swap out. I'm not really sure what the difference is.
  - ekropotin 11mo ago
    Enterprise repos are better tested and somewhat guarantee updates don’t explode anything.
  - moepstar 11mo ago
    The difference: the free repositories get the updates before the enterprise repo. So, the software versions that go into the enterprise repo are considered stable by then. (If we're talking about Proxmox, that is.)

abotsis 11mo ago

I’ve been looking at incus, and some aspects are appealing (creating a vm/container via cli). But I think proxmox having better clustering, and built in support for ceph, backups (with proxmox backup server)… proxmox just had a little more maturity behind it. I’ll be watching incus though.

RamRodification 11mo ago
> aspects are appealing (creating a vm/container via cli) Nothing is stopping you from doing this with Proxmox, right?

brandon272 11mo ago

I tried demo'ing Incus from their "Try it online" page but it just spins endlessly and nothing happens.

wantlotsofcurry 11mo ago

I was looking to setup Proxmox for my homelab soon but this comment got me interested in Incus. Mostly because I've never heard of any Proxmox alternatives before this. You can try out Incus in your browser here: https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/try-it/ https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/try-it/ The demo does take ~10m to get into a working instance.

hrimfaxi 11mo ago
Their site might be getting hugged, even the non-demo page is taking ages to load.

ekropotin 11mo ago

Dang it! I’ve just got comfortable with Proxmox, but now I have to start looking into Incus because of your comment.

SlavikCA 11mo ago

Looks like Incus has no GUI? Proxmox has nice web GUI

veidr 11mo ago
It has one[1] (optional). Proxmox has a shittier, but more featureful, web UI. [1]: https://blog.simos.info/how-to-install-and-setup-the-incus-web-ui/ https://blog.simos.info/how-to-install-and-setup-the-incus-w...
- znpy 11mo ago
  i like the proxmox web ui. also, looking at the link you posted, it looks like incus can only do like a fraction of what proxmox can do. is that the case or is that web ui a limiting factor?

roger_ 11mo ago

IncusOS looks pretty interesting. It’s a new immutable distribution designed for Incus. When it matures I’ll look into switching from Proxmox.

rcarmo 11mo ago

Incus has a pretty bare-bones web UI without nary any metrics, which is a bit of a pain when you're trying to track down CPU hogs. Proxmox, on the other hand, makes things very much visible and easy to use.