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I've never experienced the original Amiga and I probably never will. I would however be open to emulating the machine. Are there any good resources for people l

I've never experienced the original Amiga and I probably never will. I would however be open to emulating the machine. Are there any good resources for people like who would like to try out the whole ecosystem as a complete newbie in 2025? My knowledge about Amiga is close to zero.

radicalbyte 11mo ago
Buy a MiSTer FPGA and run Amiga Vision on it. You can plug in a proper keyboard and joystick and you can map jump to a button instead of up as it traditionally is on Amiga. I have to admit that it's better than using my A500/A1200s.
- actionfromafar 11mo ago
  For a software version, try WinUAE. (Win/Mac/Linux builds available.)
- crims0n 11mo ago
  Oh wow, AmigaVision even runs on an Analogue Pocket - going to have to give this a try.
- erwincoumans 11mo ago
  Thanks, your comment made me buy the icode prebuilt preloaded MiSTer FPGA, 128mb ram, hope that is sufficient for Amiga Vision. I used to own an Amiga 500 with internal HDD, long ago. Guru meditations still exist? https://www.icode.com/product/mister-fpga-kit-terasic-de10-nanocase128mbusb-hub256gb-micro-sd-preloded https://www.icode.com/product/mister-fpga-kit-terasic-de10-n...
  - radicalbyte 11mo ago
    Nice, congrats! Even the most basic models (the $99 + shipping + tax from China) can handle the Amiga. You get more bells whistles plus a better package with a MiSTer stack but I would recommend most people to either grab the Multisystem II or the Mister Pi (Turbo Pack) from RetroRemake. If you want to run Saturn fighters then getting a second stick of RAM is a must as it allows everything to run at full speed. I have the Ultimate Mister kit with USB + AV boards but only a single stick of RAM (also 128MB) and a Honeywell PSU and it's awesome especially for the Amiga and C64 :)
    - erwincoumans 11mo ago
      Yeah the Mister Pi makes more sense, financially. On the C64 side, there is the upcoming C64 Ultimate https://www.commodore.net https://www.commodore.net, that looks almost identical to the original one
- abrugsch 11mo ago
  getting the hardware is only half the battle. Hard agree with going for a MiSTer setup however it's quite an expense for someone dipping a toe in. ultimately it's hard to prescribe the "definitive" amiga experience in 2025 to a total newbie. At a surface level, for many people, amiga ownership was simply a console like experience -> Buy an amiga 500, and shovel game disks into it, play game, turn it off. Replicating that is super easy with either just a raspberry pi and the PiMiga distro (see the Chris Edwards youtube channel for details) or even retropie comes with support for amiga OOTB however it comes with the caveat of having a little background knowledge of the hardware combinations available. The ABSOLUTE easiest way of getting a taste of amiga is to get hold of a "The A500" mini console which comes with pre-packaged games (but also lets you run your own once you've got to the end of enjoying the 30 or so pack-ins). There is the WinUAE emulator for windows that's excellent (so good, you can use it to prep real-world Hard drives for actual physical amigas) but it's complicated without prior knowledge of the OG hardware combinations. The most common setup back in the day (for UKers playing games at least) was an OG Amiga 500 with OCS (Original Chip Set) with 0.5MB RAM(ChipRAM - essentially shared system and graphics memory) and maybe an optional extra 0.5 MB upgrade (FastRAM - CPU only memory, though often known now as SlowRAM because it was directly accessable by the CPU only but had to share the bus with the chip RAM) and 1.3 Kickstart ROM. This was later upgraded by the A500+ which came with ECS (Enhanced Chip Set) which gave a few added graphical modes, 1MB of Chip RAM (typically upgradable to +1MB fast RAM) and kickstart 2.0. it broke compatibility with some games and was a min spec for others. This was replaced directly by the A1200 which came with an upgraded CPU (68020ec at 14 MHz) AGA chipset (16.7 mil colour palette, 256 on screen), internal IDE interface and kickstart 3.0 with 2MB ChipRAM out of the box. The A500+ was also indirectly replaced with the A600. Essentially a A500+ mini - they updated the manuafcturing to surface mount, reduced the PCB size significantly and removed the numberpad from the keyboard and added the IDE interface from the A1200. it was supposed to be a cost reduced version but initially cost more to make than the outgoing A500+. It was hated at the time because it cost more at retail and had less features (lack of keypad broke a lot of software, IDE interface wasn't seen as beneficial at the time and the side expansion port was replaced by a PCMCIA port which again only had much more expensive peripherals at the time) The rest are the "Big Box" amigas - computers with a separate keyboard from the main box case: A1000 (the OG or just "Amiga" when it launched) A2000 - The workhorse version of thw A500 with expansion, processor,video upgrade slots. A1500 - a UK specific cut down version of the A2000 just launched to inflict trademark damage to a sole trader startup making aftermarket cases for the A500. A3000 - the first fully 32-bit platform - ECS and 32-bit 680x0 CPUs available (IIRC both 68020 and 68030 though might be wrong about the '020) A4000 - a big box equivalent to the A1200 - AGA and expansion A4000T - towerized version of A4000 - the holy grail for collectors and rare as hens teeth. However in 2025 getting involved with the amiga scene is a huge rabbit hole as the community is so large there are always wonderful projects (such as PiStorm) for enhancing and extending the life of these now very aged machines. Sorry, this ended up a bit of an essay on what was only supposed to be a quick note...
mkesper 11mo ago
If you're not sure to invest in special hardware, cloanto offers bundles including most kickstarts and some software (games / apps). That's the easiest and cheapest way to get started. A500mini might also be a relatively cheap option with some modern possibilities (SD cards instead of floppy disks).
amiga386 11mo ago
1. Get a copy of the Amiga 3.1 Kickstart ROM (v40) and Workbench disks (for example by legally buying Amiga Forever ... or other ways). If you do buy Amiga Forever, they've put together an Amiga emulation environment for you with lots of software pre-installed. 2. Consider buying AmiKit or using its free version: https://www.amikit.amiga.sk/ https://www.amikit.amiga.sk/ -- it needs the aforementioned Kickstart ROM and Workbench Disks, but again they've put together an Amiga emulation environment for you with lots of software pre-installed. 3. If you don't want to use those pre-made packs, install WinUAE (for Windows) or amiberry (for macOS/Linux) yourself, configure them yourself with the ROM... and use one of the ClassicWB (https://classicwb.abime.net/ https://classicwb.abime.net/) hard drive images. 4. And if you don't like ClassicWB, you can also extract the Amiga hard drive image included with PiMiga 4 to enjoy an alternative pack. PiMiga is a Raspberry Pi image that includes an Amiga emulator for the Pi and a huge Amiga hard drive image -- simply use software to read the PiMiga Linux ext2 filesystem and extract that hard drive image to use it on your own emulator, no RPi needed (https://old.reddit.com/r/amiga/comments/1dfcn8u/extract_amiga_virtual_harddisks_from_pimiga4_image/ https://old.reddit.com/r/amiga/comments/1dfcn8u/extract_amig...)
- boredhedgehog 11mo ago
  If the aim is to emulate games, Kickstart 3.1 or even 2.04 shouldn't be the first choice. Backwards compatibility must have been really poor back then; at least I've run into lots of software that will only run on 1.3.
  - amiga386 11mo ago
    One does not typically run games directly. That's fraught with the compatibility concerns you raise, and also the slowness of loading them from their disks, even when using an emulator, and needing a cumbersome UI to swap disks as needed. Instead you run them with WHDLoad, originally designed to install all games onto the hard drives of real Amigas. A lovely group of programmers have made WHDLoad installers for every game you know of, that patch the game in just the right places so it runs correctly, regardless of Amiga model or OS version. WHDLoad also lets you press a "QuitKey" that returns you back to Workbench. And if you have an emulated Amiga with lots of RAM, you get to preload all the disks into RAM so there's basically zero loading time. People have made large collections of "preinstalled" WHDLoad installers, bundling games in a ready-to-run way for any Amiga.
lysace 11mo ago
I am very happy with AmigaVision, packaged by Alex Limi (of early Mozilla Firefox UX/product fame) et al. AmigaVision is a carefully curated collection of game and demo configurations for the Amiga computer platform, as well as a minimal Workbench setup with useful utilities and apps, wrapped in a user-friendly launcher. https://amiga.vision/ https://amiga.vision/ https://github.com/amigavision/AmigaVision https://github.com/amigavision/AmigaVision I run it on a Mister FPGA but there are multiple other ways to do it, including emulators running on your regular computer.
- radicalbyte 11mo ago
  MiSTer, especially the new cheaper builds (MisterPi) are by far the best way to play the old consoles if you want to play on a TV and well worth the $200.
  - lysace 11mo ago
    Yeah. (Sorry, somehow didn't read your comment about the same AmigaVision before commenting.) I find myself wishing for something like AmigaVision for e.g. the IBM PC. The launcher should be in either classic text mode or VGA 640x480x16 colors with custom palettes like those cool disk mags. And of course tracker background music. There is some similar effort called 0MHz based on the eXoDOS project, but I'm not sure I like it as much. Needs more work. And a lot more curation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuJXLOMxIkI&t=220s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuJXLOMxIkI&t=220s
    - radicalbyte 11mo ago
      Totally agree with you, I'd like to see it for the C64, Spectrum, Atari ST, Amstrad etc too. It makes the system into something which is really close to "plug in and play". I'm also hoping that we start seeing USB external Amiga / C64 keyboards for the real enthusiasts. That might be a little too niche though.
- mrandish 11mo ago
  AmigaVision is very nice. One thing that's especially great for emulation users with modern hi-res flat screens is they've already done the work to set up proper integer scaling, cropping and scanline/shadow mask pixel shaders. Many of the Amiga's legendary games and graphics were specifically hand-crafted to look best on high-quality analog RGB CRTs. It's shocking how much better they look when properly displayed. The hard-edged, square block pixels on so many retro Youtube channels is not just technically incorrect - it's not what the original developers and artists created or ever intended their users to see.
Keyframe 11mo ago
I have multiple real Amigas (jesus, that's a lot of amigas meme), but since I installed PiMiga on a rpi400 with its monitor, that's like 99% what you need amiga for. I even prefer it to my commodore 1084s fleet. Even though I need a CRT shot now and then.

radicalbyte 11mo ago

Buy a MiSTer FPGA and run Amiga Vision on it. You can plug in a proper keyboard and joystick and you can map jump to a button instead of up as it traditionally is on Amiga. I have to admit that it's better than using my A500/A1200s.

actionfromafar 11mo ago
For a software version, try WinUAE. (Win/Mac/Linux builds available.)
crims0n 11mo ago
Oh wow, AmigaVision even runs on an Analogue Pocket - going to have to give this a try.
erwincoumans 11mo ago
Thanks, your comment made me buy the icode prebuilt preloaded MiSTer FPGA, 128mb ram, hope that is sufficient for Amiga Vision. I used to own an Amiga 500 with internal HDD, long ago. Guru meditations still exist? https://www.icode.com/product/mister-fpga-kit-terasic-de10-nanocase128mbusb-hub256gb-micro-sd-preloded https://www.icode.com/product/mister-fpga-kit-terasic-de10-n...
- radicalbyte 11mo ago
  Nice, congrats! Even the most basic models (the $99 + shipping + tax from China) can handle the Amiga. You get more bells whistles plus a better package with a MiSTer stack but I would recommend most people to either grab the Multisystem II or the Mister Pi (Turbo Pack) from RetroRemake. If you want to run Saturn fighters then getting a second stick of RAM is a must as it allows everything to run at full speed. I have the Ultimate Mister kit with USB + AV boards but only a single stick of RAM (also 128MB) and a Honeywell PSU and it's awesome especially for the Amiga and C64 :)
  - erwincoumans 11mo ago
    Yeah the Mister Pi makes more sense, financially. On the C64 side, there is the upcoming C64 Ultimate https://www.commodore.net https://www.commodore.net, that looks almost identical to the original one
abrugsch 11mo ago
getting the hardware is only half the battle. Hard agree with going for a MiSTer setup however it's quite an expense for someone dipping a toe in. ultimately it's hard to prescribe the "definitive" amiga experience in 2025 to a total newbie. At a surface level, for many people, amiga ownership was simply a console like experience -> Buy an amiga 500, and shovel game disks into it, play game, turn it off. Replicating that is super easy with either just a raspberry pi and the PiMiga distro (see the Chris Edwards youtube channel for details) or even retropie comes with support for amiga OOTB however it comes with the caveat of having a little background knowledge of the hardware combinations available. The ABSOLUTE easiest way of getting a taste of amiga is to get hold of a "The A500" mini console which comes with pre-packaged games (but also lets you run your own once you've got to the end of enjoying the 30 or so pack-ins). There is the WinUAE emulator for windows that's excellent (so good, you can use it to prep real-world Hard drives for actual physical amigas) but it's complicated without prior knowledge of the OG hardware combinations. The most common setup back in the day (for UKers playing games at least) was an OG Amiga 500 with OCS (Original Chip Set) with 0.5MB RAM(ChipRAM - essentially shared system and graphics memory) and maybe an optional extra 0.5 MB upgrade (FastRAM - CPU only memory, though often known now as SlowRAM because it was directly accessable by the CPU only but had to share the bus with the chip RAM) and 1.3 Kickstart ROM. This was later upgraded by the A500+ which came with ECS (Enhanced Chip Set) which gave a few added graphical modes, 1MB of Chip RAM (typically upgradable to +1MB fast RAM) and kickstart 2.0. it broke compatibility with some games and was a min spec for others. This was replaced directly by the A1200 which came with an upgraded CPU (68020ec at 14 MHz) AGA chipset (16.7 mil colour palette, 256 on screen), internal IDE interface and kickstart 3.0 with 2MB ChipRAM out of the box. The A500+ was also indirectly replaced with the A600. Essentially a A500+ mini - they updated the manuafcturing to surface mount, reduced the PCB size significantly and removed the numberpad from the keyboard and added the IDE interface from the A1200. it was supposed to be a cost reduced version but initially cost more to make than the outgoing A500+. It was hated at the time because it cost more at retail and had less features (lack of keypad broke a lot of software, IDE interface wasn't seen as beneficial at the time and the side expansion port was replaced by a PCMCIA port which again only had much more expensive peripherals at the time) The rest are the "Big Box" amigas - computers with a separate keyboard from the main box case: A1000 (the OG or just "Amiga" when it launched) A2000 - The workhorse version of thw A500 with expansion, processor,video upgrade slots. A1500 - a UK specific cut down version of the A2000 just launched to inflict trademark damage to a sole trader startup making aftermarket cases for the A500. A3000 - the first fully 32-bit platform - ECS and 32-bit 680x0 CPUs available (IIRC both 68020 and 68030 though might be wrong about the '020) A4000 - a big box equivalent to the A1200 - AGA and expansion A4000T - towerized version of A4000 - the holy grail for collectors and rare as hens teeth. However in 2025 getting involved with the amiga scene is a huge rabbit hole as the community is so large there are always wonderful projects (such as PiStorm) for enhancing and extending the life of these now very aged machines. Sorry, this ended up a bit of an essay on what was only supposed to be a quick note...

mkesper 11mo ago

If you're not sure to invest in special hardware, cloanto offers bundles including most kickstarts and some software (games / apps). That's the easiest and cheapest way to get started. A500mini might also be a relatively cheap option with some modern possibilities (SD cards instead of floppy disks).

amiga386 11mo ago

1. Get a copy of the Amiga 3.1 Kickstart ROM (v40) and Workbench disks (for example by legally buying Amiga Forever ... or other ways). If you do buy Amiga Forever, they've put together an Amiga emulation environment for you with lots of software pre-installed. 2. Consider buying AmiKit or using its free version: https://www.amikit.amiga.sk/ https://www.amikit.amiga.sk/ -- it needs the aforementioned Kickstart ROM and Workbench Disks, but again they've put together an Amiga emulation environment for you with lots of software pre-installed. 3. If you don't want to use those pre-made packs, install WinUAE (for Windows) or amiberry (for macOS/Linux) yourself, configure them yourself with the ROM... and use one of the ClassicWB (https://classicwb.abime.net/ https://classicwb.abime.net/) hard drive images. 4. And if you don't like ClassicWB, you can also extract the Amiga hard drive image included with PiMiga 4 to enjoy an alternative pack. PiMiga is a Raspberry Pi image that includes an Amiga emulator for the Pi and a huge Amiga hard drive image -- simply use software to read the PiMiga Linux ext2 filesystem and extract that hard drive image to use it on your own emulator, no RPi needed (https://old.reddit.com/r/amiga/comments/1dfcn8u/extract_amiga_virtual_harddisks_from_pimiga4_image/ https://old.reddit.com/r/amiga/comments/1dfcn8u/extract_amig...)

boredhedgehog 11mo ago
If the aim is to emulate games, Kickstart 3.1 or even 2.04 shouldn't be the first choice. Backwards compatibility must have been really poor back then; at least I've run into lots of software that will only run on 1.3.
- amiga386 11mo ago
  One does not typically run games directly. That's fraught with the compatibility concerns you raise, and also the slowness of loading them from their disks, even when using an emulator, and needing a cumbersome UI to swap disks as needed. Instead you run them with WHDLoad, originally designed to install all games onto the hard drives of real Amigas. A lovely group of programmers have made WHDLoad installers for every game you know of, that patch the game in just the right places so it runs correctly, regardless of Amiga model or OS version. WHDLoad also lets you press a "QuitKey" that returns you back to Workbench. And if you have an emulated Amiga with lots of RAM, you get to preload all the disks into RAM so there's basically zero loading time. People have made large collections of "preinstalled" WHDLoad installers, bundling games in a ready-to-run way for any Amiga.

lysace 11mo ago

I am very happy with AmigaVision, packaged by Alex Limi (of early Mozilla Firefox UX/product fame) et al. AmigaVision is a carefully curated collection of game and demo configurations for the Amiga computer platform, as well as a minimal Workbench setup with useful utilities and apps, wrapped in a user-friendly launcher. https://amiga.vision/ https://amiga.vision/ https://github.com/amigavision/AmigaVision https://github.com/amigavision/AmigaVision I run it on a Mister FPGA but there are multiple other ways to do it, including emulators running on your regular computer.

radicalbyte 11mo ago
MiSTer, especially the new cheaper builds (MisterPi) are by far the best way to play the old consoles if you want to play on a TV and well worth the $200.
- lysace 11mo ago
  Yeah. (Sorry, somehow didn't read your comment about the same AmigaVision before commenting.) I find myself wishing for something like AmigaVision for e.g. the IBM PC. The launcher should be in either classic text mode or VGA 640x480x16 colors with custom palettes like those cool disk mags. And of course tracker background music. There is some similar effort called 0MHz based on the eXoDOS project, but I'm not sure I like it as much. Needs more work. And a lot more curation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuJXLOMxIkI&t=220s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuJXLOMxIkI&t=220s
  - radicalbyte 11mo ago
    Totally agree with you, I'd like to see it for the C64, Spectrum, Atari ST, Amstrad etc too. It makes the system into something which is really close to "plug in and play". I'm also hoping that we start seeing USB external Amiga / C64 keyboards for the real enthusiasts. That might be a little too niche though.
mrandish 11mo ago
AmigaVision is very nice. One thing that's especially great for emulation users with modern hi-res flat screens is they've already done the work to set up proper integer scaling, cropping and scanline/shadow mask pixel shaders. Many of the Amiga's legendary games and graphics were specifically hand-crafted to look best on high-quality analog RGB CRTs. It's shocking how much better they look when properly displayed. The hard-edged, square block pixels on so many retro Youtube channels is not just technically incorrect - it's not what the original developers and artists created or ever intended their users to see.

Keyframe 11mo ago

I have multiple real Amigas (jesus, that's a lot of amigas meme), but since I installed PiMiga on a rpi400 with its monitor, that's like 99% what you need amiga for. I even prefer it to my commodore 1084s fleet. Even though I need a CRT shot now and then.