4 ms·

In related news, Harvard is also launching its own investigation into its former president Summers: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/11/19/harvard-opens-

by koolba 11mo ago

In related news, Harvard is also launching its own investigation into its former president Summers: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/11/19/harvard-opens-investigation-into-summers-epstein/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/11/19/harvard-opens-...

pessimizer 11mo ago
MIT and NYT need to get back on it, too. Lots of people still not feeling any consequences, much like Epstein during life. The girls were threatened more than he ever was (and still are.) It seems like the NYT was cackling in glee just a couple months ago, saying that even Trump had to finally buck the conspiracy theories of his evil, ignorant MAGA followers and admit that there was absolutely nothing to see and nothing interesting about the Epstein case and it's actually silly that you would think there was. Nice that MAGA demands accountability from Trump in a way Democrats don't from their leaders. It's also telling that the NYT is the only major outlet to consistently be reticent to state unequivocally that Epstein killed himself. Always said "found to have committed suicide." Somebody there with editorial veto control knows that flimsy story isn't going to last forever. Even if he hadn't been made cellmates with an insane strangler murder cop with nothing to lose, hadn't said that the "suicide attempt" was insane murder cop trying to kill him, and was taken off suicide watch one day after that "suicide attempt." The night Jeffrey Epstein claimed his cellmate tried to kill him, CBS News 2025/09/22 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-claimed-cellmate-tried-to-kill-him/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-claimed-cellmat... Nicholas Tartaglione https://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2019/09/23/feds-how-nicholas-tartaglione-killed-martin-luna/2416640001/ https://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2019/09/23/feds-how-n... [edit: re Tartaglione, who never had the slightest chance of ever getting out of prison. Has anybody checked if the financial situation of his family changed for the better since the incident?]
- ternaryoperator 11mo ago
  > It's also telling that the NYT is the only major outlet to consistently be reticent to state unequivocally that Epstein killed himself. Always said "found to have committed suicide." Nonsense. "...Mr. Epstein, who died by suicide... [0] "...disgraced financier who died by suicide...[1] etc. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/18/us/politics/trump-epstein-files.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/18/us/politics/trump-epstein... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/12/us/politics/trump-epstein-emails.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/12/us/politics/trump-epstein...
- lo_zamoyski 11mo ago
  > Nice that MAGA demands accountability from Trump in a way Democrats don't from their leaders. This doesn't accord with experience. MAGA is notorious for rationalizing anything Trump says or does. The uniparty is a rotten, spiraling race to the bottom.
  - yahoozoo 11mo ago
    [flagged]
    - DonHopkins 11mo ago
      Only because Trump told them to push it first. His problem is that he changed his mind.
      - catlover76 11mo ago
        [dead]
    - overfeed 11mo ago
      MAGA was pushing for it when they believed it was a liberal conspiracy, with the Clintons trafficking children and "harvesting their adrenochrome" (see Comet Pizza incident). Now MAGA luminaries are suggesting grown men abusing minors isn't that creepy if the victims are teenaged - so much for protecting the kids.
      - lo_zamoyski 11mo ago
        "Hypocrisy is okay if we do it, because they did it first!"
    - DonHopkins 11mo ago
      FYI: Your account has been shadow banned for repeated antisemitic posts, and you deserve it. So stop wasting your time trying to post. And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
  - 11mo ago
- 650REDHAIR 11mo ago
  Isn’t NYT complicit and sat on a lot of Epstein files before the 2016 election.
  - bilbo0s 11mo ago
    Um.. Just throwing it out there, but forget Epstein, I'm sure most of us would not believe what NYT is sitting on in general. This is effectively a defacto global intelligence gathering service. I bet if we could read through a lot of that we'd all be gobsmacked and just stop believing in humanity altogether. I understand most of what we haven't seen is uncorroborated, but it would still make for interesting reading if we didn't have to worry about falling down an elevator shaft onto some bullets.
- hn_throwaway_99 11mo ago
  > Nice that MAGA demands accountability from Trump in a way Democrats don't from their leaders. What planet do you live on?? I don't see any blowback against Trump himself from MAGA followers. It's always "he's getting bad advice", or they blame his sycophants like Bondi. If MAGA demanded accountability from Trump they seemed to be totally fine when he was caught boasting on tape of committing sexual assault.
  - trts 11mo ago
    not sure where you are looking but Rasmussen polls have been showing Trump hemorrhaging support since June among his base. if you visit X this is where many of them converse, and they are quite openly unhappy with the admin lately
    - irjustin 11mo ago
      I believe it has nothing to do with sexual offense and that the higher prices of goods is really affecting people. So he's still immune the anything that's horrendous.
      - trts 11mo ago
        guess you can believe what you want but data shows the Epstein topic has been damaging his base support
        shigawire 11mo ago
        Some indicators suggest that, but we don't really know until the rubber meets the road. The real test is how people vote. With this much confusion I think it is perfectly valid to take a few opinion polls with a grain of salt. Much like how Dems rate their party poorly but still turn it against Trump, I'm not sure MAGA discontent with have any real impact on elections.
      - EasyMark 11mo ago
        I think most people are talking to the core 30-40% of his voters see him as messianic that will go down with the titanic no matter what
- cosmicgadget 11mo ago
  > Trump had to finally buck the conspiracy theories of his evil, ignorant MAGA followers and admit that there was absolutely nothing to see and nothing interesting about the Epstein case and it's actually silly that you would think there was. Didn't Bondi say there was thousands of hours of video of sex abuse? Was that made up?
senderista 11mo ago
OMG the correspondence described there is disgusting: Summers seeking advice from Epstein on how to turn a mentoring relationship into a romantic one.
- deleted 11mo ago
  [deleted]
benzible 11mo ago
The one-time head of the most elite academic institution as well as the US Treasury is an insecure 12 year old boy at heart. Summers clearly saw Epstein as aspirational for his "success" with "women". But this isn't really new information about him. In 2005 he went in front of an audience including top women scientists at the National Bureau of Economic Research and essentially said the lack of women at the top of science was mostly about their lack of innate aptitude, not discrimination [1] (he gave multiple alternate "theories" but it was clear which one he actually believed). People immediately saw that for what it was: a powerful guy projecting his own hang-ups about women. That he's maintained his status over the last 20 years does not speak well of the US's most prestigious institutions. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/2/18/full-transcript-president-summers-remarks-at/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/2/18/full-transcript...
arresin 11mo ago
I find it hard to believe that they’re only finding out now.
- FridgeSeal 11mo ago
  Better to be _seen_ to be doing something later, than to have it pointed out.
- epistasis 11mo ago
  I don't think anybody knew the extent of relationships with Epstein that were revealed when 20k email messages were dumped onto the world. I have long been a hater of Summers, but had no indication that he was involved with Epstein like this. I could understand others at Harvard not knowing, unless they had access to Summers' personal email somehow. Chomsky, another person who I have long hated (for setting back linguistics with his extreme bullying, the dominance of bad theory, and the resistance to actually studying languages before they go extinct, etc etc etc). And though I knew there was some connection to Epstein, as many intellectuals had connections to him, I had no idea it was to that extent. All this is to say that even opponents of Epstein's confidants didn't know the extent of connection, and I'm not surprised that others are Harvard didn't know.
  - watwut 11mo ago
    I mean, there are other harward people making very similar consultations with Epstein. It seems to be more of "influencial harward people support each other" situation. Plus, there are harward people who complained about these harward people for years and claim to not be surprised.
- safety1st 11mo ago
  The thing to understand about Summers is that he is basically the guy that charted the course to where America is today. Enormously influential, he provided the intellectual gravitas as well as the raw policymaking muscle for a version of the US economy that was financialized, globalized, and monopolized. If you're broke in 2025, Larry Summers probably had something to do with it. Anything that will knock this guy down many many pegs is worthwhile imo.

by koolba 11mo ago

pessimizer 11mo ago

MIT and NYT need to get back on it, too. Lots of people still not feeling any consequences, much like Epstein during life. The girls were threatened more than he ever was (and still are.) It seems like the NYT was cackling in glee just a couple months ago, saying that even Trump had to finally buck the conspiracy theories of his evil, ignorant MAGA followers and admit that there was absolutely nothing to see and nothing interesting about the Epstein case and it's actually silly that you would think there was. Nice that MAGA demands accountability from Trump in a way Democrats don't from their leaders. It's also telling that the NYT is the only major outlet to consistently be reticent to state unequivocally that Epstein killed himself. Always said "found to have committed suicide." Somebody there with editorial veto control knows that flimsy story isn't going to last forever. Even if he hadn't been made cellmates with an insane strangler murder cop with nothing to lose, hadn't said that the "suicide attempt" was insane murder cop trying to kill him, and was taken off suicide watch one day after that "suicide attempt." The night Jeffrey Epstein claimed his cellmate tried to kill him, CBS News 2025/09/22 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-claimed-cellmate-tried-to-kill-him/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-claimed-cellmat... Nicholas Tartaglione https://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2019/09/23/feds-how-nicholas-tartaglione-killed-martin-luna/2416640001/ https://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2019/09/23/feds-how-n... [edit: re Tartaglione, who never had the slightest chance of ever getting out of prison. Has anybody checked if the financial situation of his family changed for the better since the incident?]

ternaryoperator 11mo ago
> It's also telling that the NYT is the only major outlet to consistently be reticent to state unequivocally that Epstein killed himself. Always said "found to have committed suicide." Nonsense. "...Mr. Epstein, who died by suicide... [0] "...disgraced financier who died by suicide...[1] etc. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/18/us/politics/trump-epstein-files.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/18/us/politics/trump-epstein... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/12/us/politics/trump-epstein-emails.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/12/us/politics/trump-epstein...
lo_zamoyski 11mo ago
> Nice that MAGA demands accountability from Trump in a way Democrats don't from their leaders. This doesn't accord with experience. MAGA is notorious for rationalizing anything Trump says or does. The uniparty is a rotten, spiraling race to the bottom.
- yahoozoo 11mo ago
  [flagged]
  - DonHopkins 11mo ago
    Only because Trump told them to push it first. His problem is that he changed his mind.
    - catlover76 11mo ago
      [dead]
  - overfeed 11mo ago
    MAGA was pushing for it when they believed it was a liberal conspiracy, with the Clintons trafficking children and "harvesting their adrenochrome" (see Comet Pizza incident). Now MAGA luminaries are suggesting grown men abusing minors isn't that creepy if the victims are teenaged - so much for protecting the kids.
    - lo_zamoyski 11mo ago
      "Hypocrisy is okay if we do it, because they did it first!"
  - DonHopkins 11mo ago
    FYI: Your account has been shadow banned for repeated antisemitic posts, and you deserve it. So stop wasting your time trying to post. And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
- 11mo ago
650REDHAIR 11mo ago
Isn’t NYT complicit and sat on a lot of Epstein files before the 2016 election.
- bilbo0s 11mo ago
  Um.. Just throwing it out there, but forget Epstein, I'm sure most of us would not believe what NYT is sitting on in general. This is effectively a defacto global intelligence gathering service. I bet if we could read through a lot of that we'd all be gobsmacked and just stop believing in humanity altogether. I understand most of what we haven't seen is uncorroborated, but it would still make for interesting reading if we didn't have to worry about falling down an elevator shaft onto some bullets.
hn_throwaway_99 11mo ago
> Nice that MAGA demands accountability from Trump in a way Democrats don't from their leaders. What planet do you live on?? I don't see any blowback against Trump himself from MAGA followers. It's always "he's getting bad advice", or they blame his sycophants like Bondi. If MAGA demanded accountability from Trump they seemed to be totally fine when he was caught boasting on tape of committing sexual assault.
- trts 11mo ago
  not sure where you are looking but Rasmussen polls have been showing Trump hemorrhaging support since June among his base. if you visit X this is where many of them converse, and they are quite openly unhappy with the admin lately
  - irjustin 11mo ago
    I believe it has nothing to do with sexual offense and that the higher prices of goods is really affecting people. So he's still immune the anything that's horrendous.
    - trts 11mo ago
      guess you can believe what you want but data shows the Epstein topic has been damaging his base support
      - shigawire 11mo ago
        Some indicators suggest that, but we don't really know until the rubber meets the road. The real test is how people vote. With this much confusion I think it is perfectly valid to take a few opinion polls with a grain of salt. Much like how Dems rate their party poorly but still turn it against Trump, I'm not sure MAGA discontent with have any real impact on elections.
    - EasyMark 11mo ago
      I think most people are talking to the core 30-40% of his voters see him as messianic that will go down with the titanic no matter what
cosmicgadget 11mo ago
> Trump had to finally buck the conspiracy theories of his evil, ignorant MAGA followers and admit that there was absolutely nothing to see and nothing interesting about the Epstein case and it's actually silly that you would think there was. Didn't Bondi say there was thousands of hours of video of sex abuse? Was that made up?

senderista 11mo ago

OMG the correspondence described there is disgusting: Summers seeking advice from Epstein on how to turn a mentoring relationship into a romantic one.

deleted 11mo ago
[deleted]

benzible 11mo ago

The one-time head of the most elite academic institution as well as the US Treasury is an insecure 12 year old boy at heart. Summers clearly saw Epstein as aspirational for his "success" with "women". But this isn't really new information about him. In 2005 he went in front of an audience including top women scientists at the National Bureau of Economic Research and essentially said the lack of women at the top of science was mostly about their lack of innate aptitude, not discrimination [1] (he gave multiple alternate "theories" but it was clear which one he actually believed). People immediately saw that for what it was: a powerful guy projecting his own hang-ups about women. That he's maintained his status over the last 20 years does not speak well of the US's most prestigious institutions. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/2/18/full-transcript-president-summers-remarks-at/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/2/18/full-transcript...

arresin 11mo ago

I find it hard to believe that they’re only finding out now.

FridgeSeal 11mo ago
Better to be _seen_ to be doing something later, than to have it pointed out.
epistasis 11mo ago
I don't think anybody knew the extent of relationships with Epstein that were revealed when 20k email messages were dumped onto the world. I have long been a hater of Summers, but had no indication that he was involved with Epstein like this. I could understand others at Harvard not knowing, unless they had access to Summers' personal email somehow. Chomsky, another person who I have long hated (for setting back linguistics with his extreme bullying, the dominance of bad theory, and the resistance to actually studying languages before they go extinct, etc etc etc). And though I knew there was some connection to Epstein, as many intellectuals had connections to him, I had no idea it was to that extent. All this is to say that even opponents of Epstein's confidants didn't know the extent of connection, and I'm not surprised that others are Harvard didn't know.
- watwut 11mo ago
  I mean, there are other harward people making very similar consultations with Epstein. It seems to be more of "influencial harward people support each other" situation. Plus, there are harward people who complained about these harward people for years and claim to not be surprised.
safety1st 11mo ago
The thing to understand about Summers is that he is basically the guy that charted the course to where America is today. Enormously influential, he provided the intellectual gravitas as well as the raw policymaking muscle for a version of the US economy that was financialized, globalized, and monopolized. If you're broke in 2025, Larry Summers probably had something to do with it. Anything that will knock this guy down many many pegs is worthwhile imo.