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Why doesnt Wikipedia put peoples pre-transition name? Its a part of that persons history and alot of search engine data is connected to that last name.
by the_real_cher 11mo ago
Why doesnt Wikipedia put peoples pre-transition name?
Its a part of that persons history and alot of search engine data is connected to that last name.
- igleria 11mo agoMight be that person's wish. A lot, if not most of trans people don't want anything to do with their deadname.
- mangodrunk 11mo agoWhen someone gets a name change and they are well known by their old name it’s misleading and confusing to never mention it. Just like Muhammad Ali‘s wikipedia page mentions his previous name.
- jrochkind1 11mo agoI don't know if Heineman was well-known under her previous name or not, but it's literally in the second paragraph of the wikipedia article on her. And wikipedia generally does mention former names in the cases you are describing.[1] y'all are just imagining things to be mad about. It would be rude to mention the name in these comments on a post posted in honor of her death though, please don't. [1] "As the guideline on birth names and gender identity note, birth and former names of transgender and non-binary people should only be included in the lead section if they were notable prior to coming out… Instead, this information may be woven into an "Early life" section… In cases where the prior name is known only as the result of being outed, editors may feel it would be giving it undue weight to include it in the article, unless it was subsequently widely reported in reliable sources." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_LGBTQ%2B_studies/Advice#How_to_write_about_transgender_and_non-binary_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_LGBTQ%2B...
- mangodrunk 11mo agoRight, the old name is correctly on the page. I haven’t mentioned the old name, but I don’t think it’s bad to do so to clarify who the person is. I don’t think it’s fair to pretend that someone didn’t have a previous name or that it’s taboo.
- jrochkind1 11mo agoAnd neither does wikipedia. So what are we talking about?
- the_real_cher 11mo agoOops thats my bad! I didnt see it. Apologies! It is there! I was tired and missed it and spent a few minutes google searching. Just wanted to see her previous accomplishments!
- igleria 11mo agoI don't understand what is misleading or confusing about Rebecca or Ali. Either you respect someone else's personal preferences or not.
- mangodrunk 11mo agoThey may not be well known by that name. Ali is certainly well known by that name but many of his fights are under his previous name. I think the Wikipedia policy is fair, mention the old name. Even if someone doesn’t want anything to do with it, it should still be part of the biography.
- tempfile 11mo agoIt is in the "Early life" section.
- the_real_cher 11mo agoThanks!
- pjc50 11mo agoIt is in general (not just Wikipedia) good policy not to deadname trans people unless they request otherwise. I appreciate that this creates problems in talking about people who transitioned mid-life and had substantial pre-transition accomplishments, like Sophie Wilson.
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- indianlolcow 11mo ago[flagged]
- igleria 11mo ago@dang since I can't flag this, I'm writing this here in the hope you have a way of seeing this. btw, to the parent poster: get mental help.
- jrochkind1 11mo agoit is literally in the second paragraph of the wikipedia article. I think it would be rude to repost it in these comments however, so please don't. Also it is the same last name.
- the_real_cher 11mo agoThats my bad I missed it! She's had a really impressive life!