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> So if you are earnestly concerned about the rule of law (and I agree we should be!), you should be focusing your current ire on those federal law-breaking for

by scoofy 11mo ago

> So if you are earnestly concerned about the rule of law (and I agree we should be!), you should be focusing your current ire on those federal law-breaking forces. More whataboutism… always whataboutism.

bdangubic 11mo ago
This is an easy way out... if you want to have a honest discussion you should read and address the opposing views. you are trying to oversimplify things like "states are nullifying federal laws" etc... you need to dig deeper that to see WHY that is - you think some State folk woke up one morning and went "shit, why don't we see which Federal Laws that are on the books we want to break today?" or you think perhaps there are other reason why we have sanctuary cities, what prompted that to begin with...? if you think someone just woke up and said "hell, why don't we just make this up for the heck of it...?" then maybe but none of this is all that simple...
mindslight 11mo ago
So that implies you agree with the bulk of my comment, directly related to the point you made, and only had a problem with my rhetorical sum up? Also it's not exactly "whatboutism" to make a point directly adjacent to the subject. The world isn't automatically-executing self-consistent boolean logic (eg you yourself said several comments back you sympathize with lawlessness for marijuana laws, because many more people do not support their existence). When appealing to a general concept like "the rule of law", it's important to look at the larger picture for what specifically is being motivated by such appeals and what isn't. Otherwise you're just allowing your own lofty ideals to be abused by those who would appeal to them to get you to acquiesce, while themselves operating from a much different place of not actually sharing those ideals at all. And that open hypocrisy is a strong theme of trumpism.
- bdangubic 11mo ago
  > And that open hypocrisy is a strong theme of trumpism. trump would open the borders fully today if it meant he'd cling to power few days longer. also we saw what he was doing previously especially 2016-2020... the 'red' doesn't care of about the law nor does it want to ever solve the immigration issue (or any other issue), only to make sure there's something to try and run elections scaring people with shit like 'migrant crime' and whatnot :) too funny...

by scoofy 11mo ago

bdangubic 11mo ago

This is an easy way out... if you want to have a honest discussion you should read and address the opposing views. you are trying to oversimplify things like "states are nullifying federal laws" etc... you need to dig deeper that to see WHY that is - you think some State folk woke up one morning and went "shit, why don't we see which Federal Laws that are on the books we want to break today?" or you think perhaps there are other reason why we have sanctuary cities, what prompted that to begin with...? if you think someone just woke up and said "hell, why don't we just make this up for the heck of it...?" then maybe but none of this is all that simple...

mindslight 11mo ago

So that implies you agree with the bulk of my comment, directly related to the point you made, and only had a problem with my rhetorical sum up? Also it's not exactly "whatboutism" to make a point directly adjacent to the subject. The world isn't automatically-executing self-consistent boolean logic (eg you yourself said several comments back you sympathize with lawlessness for marijuana laws, because many more people do not support their existence). When appealing to a general concept like "the rule of law", it's important to look at the larger picture for what specifically is being motivated by such appeals and what isn't. Otherwise you're just allowing your own lofty ideals to be abused by those who would appeal to them to get you to acquiesce, while themselves operating from a much different place of not actually sharing those ideals at all. And that open hypocrisy is a strong theme of trumpism.

bdangubic 11mo ago
> And that open hypocrisy is a strong theme of trumpism. trump would open the borders fully today if it meant he'd cling to power few days longer. also we saw what he was doing previously especially 2016-2020... the 'red' doesn't care of about the law nor does it want to ever solve the immigration issue (or any other issue), only to make sure there's something to try and run elections scaring people with shit like 'migrant crime' and whatnot :) too funny...