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I hate every part of this. The pain and suffering and the struggle for money that family had to go through because the richest country on Earth can't be bothere

by TkTech 11mo ago

I hate every part of this. The pain and suffering and the struggle for money that family had to go through because the richest country on Earth can't be bothered to provide for its citizens. Rebecca should not have had to use a damn gofundme to get health care while struggling with cancer. Her family should not have been forced to publicize her care in the desperate hope that strangers might help her live. Utterly inhuman. RIP Rebecca.

fsckboy 11mo ago
>because the richest country on Earth can't be bothered to provide for its citizens The USA spends more on healthcare per person than any other country Locations 2024 2023 2022 2021 2020 USA 14,885 13,818 12,898 12,375 11,926 Switz. 9,963 9,301 9,089 8,392 7,621 Norway 9,393 8,909 8,533 7,890 7,221 Germany 9,365 8,503 8,652 8,103 7,364 Nederl. 8,436 7,615 7,517 7,317 6,516 Austria 8,401 7,697 7,700 7,465 6,295 Luxemb. 8,162 7,247 6,854 6,432 5,859 Sweden 7,871 7,364 6,977 6,617 6,069 Ireland 7,813 7,027 6,748 6,221 5,619 Belgium 7,750 7,178 6,906 6,554 6,097 Austral 7,469 7,015 6,907 6,546 5,819 France 7,354 6,848 6,701 6,395 5,874 Canada 7,301 7,046 6,876 6,906 6,209 Denmark 7,071 6,555 6,661 6,913 6,147 Iceland 6,770 6,134 5,956 5,556 5,010 UK 6,747 6,412 6,188 5,785 5,381 New Zea 6,700 6,479 6,480 5,213 4,571 Finland 6,655 6,276 5,765 5,395 4,967 Japan 5,790 5,619 5,984 5,454 4,855 Slovenia 5,527 4,556 4,353 3,894 3,756 Spain 5,346 4,927 4,744 4,405 3,996 Portugal 5,212 4,713 4,594 4,208 3,555 Italy 5,164 4,847 4,744 4,409 4,027 Czechia 5,014 4,570 4,394 4,462 4,098 Korea 4,797 4,586 4,634 4,106 3,618 Israel 4,352 3,840 3,682 3,358 3,015 Poland 4,284 3,560 3,066 2,752 2,510 Slovakia 4,021 3,280 3,126 2,922 2,449 Lithuani 3,870 3,306 3,242 3,146 3,092 Chile 3,749 3,396 3,113 2,848 2,489 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea...
- bdangubic 11mo ago
  except of course in USA 14,884 out of 14,885 went to … not care :)
- TkTech 11mo ago
  Is this supposed to be a rebuttal? It's inability to provide for its citizens while spending the most is proof that its model for health care is an utter, abject failure. That money is going to incredible private profits, not the citizens.
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  - fsckboy 11mo ago
    was what I was responding to supposed to be a constructive suggestion? >It's inability to provide for its citizens provide some evidence, and also the counter evidence that shows that other countries don't leave people waiting for important procedures. I don't claim to have the answers, but I will claim that you and GP for sure don't, I don't even think you are in possession of any facts.
- brohee 11mo ago
  That only because that spend is misattributed. Much of the money spent on US "healthcare" ends up wasted on admin in billings, collections and haggling with insurance co... Aka, not healthcare. I'd be very interested to see American numbers without the absolutely insane admin overhead...
  - fsckboy 11mo ago
    unfortunately, many of the people who are in favor of providing more financial resources to patients are also in favor of a more extensive regulatory framework, so the two ideas don't get balanced.
    - user____name 11mo ago
      "Regulatory framework?" What are you talking about? Centralized information processing is faster and carries much less deadweight loss from duplicated admin and roundtrips. Having a system built around profit maximization isn't one that minimizes cost, as you have shown in your previous post.
- markus_zhang 11mo ago
  The resources spent is more important. Not to prove that you are wrong because I don’t know the answer too, but we should compare actual care per $. Like service and medicine and such, not just the $ amount.
rayiner 11mo ago
It’s a very sad situation, but she had an aggressive cancer that killed her in a matter of weeks. In Germany the healthcare option that would have been offered is hospice care. (Source: family friend runs a hospice facility in Germany and it’s much more common than in the U.S.) I doubt any other socialized healthcare system would have responded differently.
- TkTech 11mo ago
  Germany most certainly covers treatment for aggressive adenocarcinoma, and it's covered at 100%. Germany is literally one of the best places in the world for all levels of oncology. This isn't just with the hope of curing someone, even when you're terminal things like palliative chemotherapy are covered which can drastically ease your suffering.
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fsckboy 11mo ago

>because the richest country on Earth can't be bothered to provide for its citizens The USA spends more on healthcare per person than any other country Locations 2024 2023 2022 2021 2020 USA 14,885 13,818 12,898 12,375 11,926 Switz. 9,963 9,301 9,089 8,392 7,621 Norway 9,393 8,909 8,533 7,890 7,221 Germany 9,365 8,503 8,652 8,103 7,364 Nederl. 8,436 7,615 7,517 7,317 6,516 Austria 8,401 7,697 7,700 7,465 6,295 Luxemb. 8,162 7,247 6,854 6,432 5,859 Sweden 7,871 7,364 6,977 6,617 6,069 Ireland 7,813 7,027 6,748 6,221 5,619 Belgium 7,750 7,178 6,906 6,554 6,097 Austral 7,469 7,015 6,907 6,546 5,819 France 7,354 6,848 6,701 6,395 5,874 Canada 7,301 7,046 6,876 6,906 6,209 Denmark 7,071 6,555 6,661 6,913 6,147 Iceland 6,770 6,134 5,956 5,556 5,010 UK 6,747 6,412 6,188 5,785 5,381 New Zea 6,700 6,479 6,480 5,213 4,571 Finland 6,655 6,276 5,765 5,395 4,967 Japan 5,790 5,619 5,984 5,454 4,855 Slovenia 5,527 4,556 4,353 3,894 3,756 Spain 5,346 4,927 4,744 4,405 3,996 Portugal 5,212 4,713 4,594 4,208 3,555 Italy 5,164 4,847 4,744 4,409 4,027 Czechia 5,014 4,570 4,394 4,462 4,098 Korea 4,797 4,586 4,634 4,106 3,618 Israel 4,352 3,840 3,682 3,358 3,015 Poland 4,284 3,560 3,066 2,752 2,510 Slovakia 4,021 3,280 3,126 2,922 2,449 Lithuani 3,870 3,306 3,242 3,146 3,092 Chile 3,749 3,396 3,113 2,848 2,489 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea...

bdangubic 11mo ago
except of course in USA 14,884 out of 14,885 went to … not care :)
TkTech 11mo ago
Is this supposed to be a rebuttal? It's inability to provide for its citizens while spending the most is proof that its model for health care is an utter, abject failure. That money is going to incredible private profits, not the citizens.
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- fsckboy 11mo ago
  was what I was responding to supposed to be a constructive suggestion? >It's inability to provide for its citizens provide some evidence, and also the counter evidence that shows that other countries don't leave people waiting for important procedures. I don't claim to have the answers, but I will claim that you and GP for sure don't, I don't even think you are in possession of any facts.
brohee 11mo ago
That only because that spend is misattributed. Much of the money spent on US "healthcare" ends up wasted on admin in billings, collections and haggling with insurance co... Aka, not healthcare. I'd be very interested to see American numbers without the absolutely insane admin overhead...
- fsckboy 11mo ago
  unfortunately, many of the people who are in favor of providing more financial resources to patients are also in favor of a more extensive regulatory framework, so the two ideas don't get balanced.
  - user____name 11mo ago
    "Regulatory framework?" What are you talking about? Centralized information processing is faster and carries much less deadweight loss from duplicated admin and roundtrips. Having a system built around profit maximization isn't one that minimizes cost, as you have shown in your previous post.
markus_zhang 11mo ago
The resources spent is more important. Not to prove that you are wrong because I don’t know the answer too, but we should compare actual care per $. Like service and medicine and such, not just the $ amount.

rayiner 11mo ago

It’s a very sad situation, but she had an aggressive cancer that killed her in a matter of weeks. In Germany the healthcare option that would have been offered is hospice care. (Source: family friend runs a hospice facility in Germany and it’s much more common than in the U.S.) I doubt any other socialized healthcare system would have responded differently.

TkTech 11mo ago
Germany most certainly covers treatment for aggressive adenocarcinoma, and it's covered at 100%. Germany is literally one of the best places in the world for all levels of oncology. This isn't just with the hope of curing someone, even when you're terminal things like palliative chemotherapy are covered which can drastically ease your suffering.

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