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Mastodon has been great. The platform and generally most users aren't trying to constantly sell me something or influence me. It people sharing their lives, hob

by bhhaskin 11mo ago

Mastodon has been great. The platform and generally most users aren't trying to constantly sell me something or influence me. It people sharing their lives, hobbies and passion. Influencers don't bother because it doesn't have the massive following and reach other platforms have, but that's part of what makes it special imo.

nabla9 11mo ago
There are some tight groups, but number of active users is very low and getting lower, number of serves is also decreasing. I did some random sampling and it looks like large number of active users are talking to void and may not have realized it. They post regularly, have 100s of followers but no active followers. The most popular servers like mastodon.social are cesspools of snark, anger and grandstanding. Oh, and the moderation is random/nonexistent depending on the day.
- bhhaskin 11mo ago
  Here is the thing. None of that matters to me. The only thing that matters is the people I follow.
  - nabla9 11mo ago
    But we are not talking about you. Mastodon is not culturally or technologically meaningful. It had 2.5 million users few years ago, now there are 700,000 users and numbers go down.
    - SiempreViernes 11mo ago
      There are over 324 comments about this leadership change, which at the time of counting was more than 23 of the other stories I see on the frontpage, so I'm not sure by which metric you say it's not culturally relevant.
    - kragen 11mo ago
      How can a communications network with 700,000 users not be culturally meaningful? Are they all just re-tooting the same Willy Wonka meme and possessed of the memory of a goldfish? Or do they all live in the same suburb of Lagos and not use any other social media?
- BonitaPersona 11mo ago
  The way you paint it feels akin to the people going back rural or even to the middle of the forest, but in the digital scape which has the possibility of being seen just following a (sometimes quite esoteric) URI.
- jeromegv 11mo ago
  I don't really care for inactive users, I do post, and people reply to me, and i follow a bunch of people that post. I follow a bunch of hashtags so discover posts outside of my immediate circle. No ads, almost no trolls, no bots, haven't seen spam in a while, it's a great experience as a daily user.
- hadlock 11mo ago
  sounds exactly like blogging 20 years ago
- lapcat 11mo ago
  > I did some random sampling and it looks like large number of active users are talking to void and may not have realized it. They post regularly, have 100s of followers but no active followers. This is true on Twitter/X or any social network like it.
- eek2121 11mo ago
  I walked away a long time ago when I realized how fragmented and prone to drama it was.
  - metabagel 11mo ago
    Well, it's just fragmented. It's hard to find people that I used to follow on Twitter. It's hard to find posts on topics I'm interested in, outside of my instance.
- numpad0 11mo ago
  The beauty of OG Twitter was that talking to void is all that was needed. People pumped in tons of interesting contents and it worked(I'd argue it still does work, for lots of IT relevant topics). The "problem" is that the European WWW didn't like the content that works(and I'd argue same applies to Twitter of now). If you don't like the content that works, you get little to no real content or users.
mdasen 11mo ago
Yea, it just feels calmer, where you can follow neat and quirky people who aren't posting like they're addicted to it. It also feels like one place that can just keep going. With BlueSky, I know they're going to need to find a business model to cover the $36M worth of VC they've taken, many millions in salaries and hardware costs they've paid out, and provide a healthy return for all that risk. Mastodon feels like a better version of the early days of the internet. Not everything is perfect, but it's a bunch of people running stuff for themselves and their communities. Now even giant universities with tens of thousands of students outsource their email systems to Microsoft or Google. Most content is going through three companies (ByteDance, Meta, Google) with ByteDance being the "tiny" player at an estimated $300B value (tiny compared to the $1.5B of Meta and $3.4B of Google). Mastodon/ActivityPub stands against that. It lets everyone have their own little piece of the internet and get and send feed updates to each other. No one dominates the network so much that there's a risk of them cutting off the rest. Mastodon gGmbH is a non-profit. It feels like it can have longevity in a world where I'm always waiting for the enshittification to be turned on. One of the reasons I love Wikipedia is because it feels like a breath of fresh air on an internet that's always trying to make a quick buck, influence me, etc. Mastodon similarly feels like a breath of fresh air.
- Digit-Al 11mo ago
  Do you mean $300M for ByteDance? Because $300B dwarfs $1.5B and $3.4B.
- zimpenfish 11mo ago
  > ByteDance being the "tiny" player at an estimated $300B value (tiny compared to the $1.5B of Meta and $3.4B of Google). $300M? Or $1.5T? Because $300B isn't tiny compared to $1.5B.
- blackqueeriroh 11mo ago
  Do you understand that Bluesky is just the example implementation of a protocol that’s currently in the process of becoming an IETF standard?
spartanatreyu 11mo ago
> Influencers don't bother because it doesn't have the massive following and reach other platforms have Mastodon doesn't have an "algorithm" (in the online recommendation sense). Every post is sorted by post date, which biases against virality. Influencers don't go on mastodon because they can't "go viral". They can't spew dramaslop or whatever other psychological trickery to gain a greater reach. Mastodon isn't built for influencers, it's built against them. --- It's also not growth-hacking to a reach critical mass usage before rug-pulling its users into a pit of every expanding service enshitification. That's what makes it feel so much more authentic compared to other social networks. It's the social media network from a parallel universe where the non-profit Wikipedia/Wikimedia purchased Twitter and Discord, merged them together then got rid of the mic rooms.
- deleted 11mo ago
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- evolve2k 11mo ago
  Influencers get paid by social media platforms. What if private users sought to fund influencers to actively post on mastodon? Towards having more content and activity on instances. Many influencers have patreon and are keen to attract more funding. Many could maintain mastodon in addition to other platforms.
  - spartanatreyu 11mo ago
    It would be hard to make it work. Influencer's approach to posting tends to be the "shotgun" / "throw shit at a wall and see what sticks" approach. Since Mastodon only sorts by date and not by popularity/virality, anyone who follows those influencers are going to get spammed by every single one of their posts. Mastodon users have a simple solution for dealing with spam, they unfollow that person.
mk89 11mo ago
Mastodon is a bubble worse than when you enable all the activity/history/etc on Google and get always "things related to what you search". The community is so "conforming" on certain topics that you will rarely find different opinions and those get flagged etc. I was in one of the main instances, and I noticed a change at the end (like when a tiny 1% becomes 1.1% and then 1.2%, or let's say more outspoken, but it wasn't enough) before I decided not to be there anymore. About the influencers: They are there too, it's just different how it works. But one way or another I always stumbled upon their posts, although I really disliked them because they basically foster that bubble. They are just there to be the first in a less saturated market, like the first influencers of YouTube or so. And while you believe they are not there to influence you, watching the same crap every day passively influences you, even if you don't feel it. This made me go "back" to X, whose main issue is for me the huge amount of bots or repetitive content, which you cannot just fight with manual tooling. And X made me go back to no social media, except for time to time to see fun stuff or (very likely) unrealistic videos. Which is ok sometimes to decompress a bit. So in a way I have to thank Mastodon for making me see that I am just not cut out for social media.

nabla9 11mo ago

There are some tight groups, but number of active users is very low and getting lower, number of serves is also decreasing. I did some random sampling and it looks like large number of active users are talking to void and may not have realized it. They post regularly, have 100s of followers but no active followers. The most popular servers like mastodon.social are cesspools of snark, anger and grandstanding. Oh, and the moderation is random/nonexistent depending on the day.

bhhaskin 11mo ago
Here is the thing. None of that matters to me. The only thing that matters is the people I follow.
- nabla9 11mo ago
  But we are not talking about you. Mastodon is not culturally or technologically meaningful. It had 2.5 million users few years ago, now there are 700,000 users and numbers go down.
  - SiempreViernes 11mo ago
    There are over 324 comments about this leadership change, which at the time of counting was more than 23 of the other stories I see on the frontpage, so I'm not sure by which metric you say it's not culturally relevant.
  - kragen 11mo ago
    How can a communications network with 700,000 users not be culturally meaningful? Are they all just re-tooting the same Willy Wonka meme and possessed of the memory of a goldfish? Or do they all live in the same suburb of Lagos and not use any other social media?
BonitaPersona 11mo ago
The way you paint it feels akin to the people going back rural or even to the middle of the forest, but in the digital scape which has the possibility of being seen just following a (sometimes quite esoteric) URI.
jeromegv 11mo ago
I don't really care for inactive users, I do post, and people reply to me, and i follow a bunch of people that post. I follow a bunch of hashtags so discover posts outside of my immediate circle. No ads, almost no trolls, no bots, haven't seen spam in a while, it's a great experience as a daily user.
hadlock 11mo ago
sounds exactly like blogging 20 years ago
lapcat 11mo ago
> I did some random sampling and it looks like large number of active users are talking to void and may not have realized it. They post regularly, have 100s of followers but no active followers. This is true on Twitter/X or any social network like it.
eek2121 11mo ago
I walked away a long time ago when I realized how fragmented and prone to drama it was.
- metabagel 11mo ago
  Well, it's just fragmented. It's hard to find people that I used to follow on Twitter. It's hard to find posts on topics I'm interested in, outside of my instance.
numpad0 11mo ago
The beauty of OG Twitter was that talking to void is all that was needed. People pumped in tons of interesting contents and it worked(I'd argue it still does work, for lots of IT relevant topics). The "problem" is that the European WWW didn't like the content that works(and I'd argue same applies to Twitter of now). If you don't like the content that works, you get little to no real content or users.

mdasen 11mo ago

Yea, it just feels calmer, where you can follow neat and quirky people who aren't posting like they're addicted to it. It also feels like one place that can just keep going. With BlueSky, I know they're going to need to find a business model to cover the $36M worth of VC they've taken, many millions in salaries and hardware costs they've paid out, and provide a healthy return for all that risk. Mastodon feels like a better version of the early days of the internet. Not everything is perfect, but it's a bunch of people running stuff for themselves and their communities. Now even giant universities with tens of thousands of students outsource their email systems to Microsoft or Google. Most content is going through three companies (ByteDance, Meta, Google) with ByteDance being the "tiny" player at an estimated $300B value (tiny compared to the $1.5B of Meta and $3.4B of Google). Mastodon/ActivityPub stands against that. It lets everyone have their own little piece of the internet and get and send feed updates to each other. No one dominates the network so much that there's a risk of them cutting off the rest. Mastodon gGmbH is a non-profit. It feels like it can have longevity in a world where I'm always waiting for the enshittification to be turned on. One of the reasons I love Wikipedia is because it feels like a breath of fresh air on an internet that's always trying to make a quick buck, influence me, etc. Mastodon similarly feels like a breath of fresh air.

Digit-Al 11mo ago
Do you mean $300M for ByteDance? Because $300B dwarfs $1.5B and $3.4B.
zimpenfish 11mo ago
> ByteDance being the "tiny" player at an estimated $300B value (tiny compared to the $1.5B of Meta and $3.4B of Google). $300M? Or $1.5T? Because $300B isn't tiny compared to $1.5B.
blackqueeriroh 11mo ago
Do you understand that Bluesky is just the example implementation of a protocol that’s currently in the process of becoming an IETF standard?

spartanatreyu 11mo ago

> Influencers don't bother because it doesn't have the massive following and reach other platforms have Mastodon doesn't have an "algorithm" (in the online recommendation sense). Every post is sorted by post date, which biases against virality. Influencers don't go on mastodon because they can't "go viral". They can't spew dramaslop or whatever other psychological trickery to gain a greater reach. Mastodon isn't built for influencers, it's built against them. --- It's also not growth-hacking to a reach critical mass usage before rug-pulling its users into a pit of every expanding service enshitification. That's what makes it feel so much more authentic compared to other social networks. It's the social media network from a parallel universe where the non-profit Wikipedia/Wikimedia purchased Twitter and Discord, merged them together then got rid of the mic rooms.

deleted 11mo ago
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evolve2k 11mo ago
Influencers get paid by social media platforms. What if private users sought to fund influencers to actively post on mastodon? Towards having more content and activity on instances. Many influencers have patreon and are keen to attract more funding. Many could maintain mastodon in addition to other platforms.
- spartanatreyu 11mo ago
  It would be hard to make it work. Influencer's approach to posting tends to be the "shotgun" / "throw shit at a wall and see what sticks" approach. Since Mastodon only sorts by date and not by popularity/virality, anyone who follows those influencers are going to get spammed by every single one of their posts. Mastodon users have a simple solution for dealing with spam, they unfollow that person.

mk89 11mo ago

Mastodon is a bubble worse than when you enable all the activity/history/etc on Google and get always "things related to what you search". The community is so "conforming" on certain topics that you will rarely find different opinions and those get flagged etc. I was in one of the main instances, and I noticed a change at the end (like when a tiny 1% becomes 1.1% and then 1.2%, or let's say more outspoken, but it wasn't enough) before I decided not to be there anymore. About the influencers: They are there too, it's just different how it works. But one way or another I always stumbled upon their posts, although I really disliked them because they basically foster that bubble. They are just there to be the first in a less saturated market, like the first influencers of YouTube or so. And while you believe they are not there to influence you, watching the same crap every day passively influences you, even if you don't feel it. This made me go "back" to X, whose main issue is for me the huge amount of bots or repetitive content, which you cannot just fight with manual tooling. And X made me go back to no social media, except for time to time to see fun stuff or (very likely) unrealistic videos. Which is ok sometimes to decompress a bit. So in a way I have to thank Mastodon for making me see that I am just not cut out for social media.