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It’s looking like Google may outdo OpenAI. ChatGPT has brand recognition and adoption, but not the best product anymore.
by drivebyhooting 11mo ago
It’s looking like Google may outdo OpenAI.
ChatGPT has brand recognition and adoption, but not the best product anymore.
- bhouston 11mo ago> ChatGPT has brand recognition and adoption, but not the best product anymore. Companies with worse products win all the time based on brand and adoption. So it isn't clear to me at all that Google can win.
- imglorp 11mo agoBut what does win mean here? It's commoditized at this point, everyone's got options, and it's easy to swap models. This means the user share will be spread out among the different offerings. There's no winner take all scenario.
- blitzar 11mo ago> Companies with worse products win all the time based on brand and adoption. Like google.
- Bricejm 11mo agoGoogle also has $100 billion in profit each year from it's core business to wait out OpenAI.
- LunaSea 11mo agoAnd the search engine and crawler actually powering these LLMs
- Razengan 11mo agoHow is that not a conflict of interest by the way, when Google's AI search results prevent the websites it trained on from getting clicks?
- what 11mo agoAm I the only one that clicks through to the sources cited?
- placatedmayhem 11mo agoI usually do the same, but not always. And I believe clicking through is a behavior of a minority of people and interactions, judging by the click through rate drops sites have seen recently. (On mobile at the moment, so apologies for not grabbing a source for the rate drops sites.)
- muldvarp 11mo agoIn the grand scheme of things? Yes.
- threetonesun 11mo agoHow is it different than Google Summaries or AMP or any of the other ways Google tried to keep people from actually visiting the websites that drive all of their traffic.
- beachy 11mo agoGoogle is also conflicted though. The more they emulate ChatGPT's clean UI, the more they are failing to push ads in people's faces, which is what generates that $100B for them. Their business model fails if their users don't experience a confusing crap-fest of ads.
- slumberlust 11mo agoAs always, they will keep it clean until they can crank that enshitification dial to 11.
- overfeed 11mo ago> Their business model fails if their users don't experience a confusing crap-fest of ads. I bet you OpenAI will implement ads far sooner than Google can hypothetically run out of money.
- raw_anon_1111 11mo agoGoogle also has GCP where it can monetize its hardware investments.
- adzm 11mo ago> the more they are failing to push ads in people's faces Won't be long until chat AI will include sponsored products and services in the output.
- paxys 11mo agoOpenAI isn't burning through tens of billions of dollars every year on its free tier for charity. It will dial up the advertising knob (and every other knob) to 11 the moment the cash starts to runs out.
- LeifCarrotson 11mo agoThey don't have to do that today, though. Remember original Google? Or original Gmail? Neither had prominent ads for the first few years, a couple decades later the ads are everywhere.
- etempleton 11mo ago
- rvnx 11mo agoAnd they also have their own chips (TPUs), no need for Nvidia
- YetAnotherNick 11mo agoIf you remove AGI dream from the equation, AI revenues couldn't come close everpresent ads on the internet which Google has monopoly over, and LLM directly affects Google core business. Also Google doesn't have great business reputation for sticking to their APIs, so they need to be lot better than open model always, which it is now but my guess would be it wouldn't be for long.
- keiferski 11mo agoUnless I’m missing something, Google doesn’t really have the “chat journal” aspect that ChatGPT has. It’s just a search engine. For me personally this is a major feature.
- esafak 11mo agoWhat's a chat journal besides a history, which Gemini has?
- keiferski 11mo agoThere isn’t really a folder or project structure, as far as I can tell. (Just trying the app now.) I imagine the majority of Gemini users are still via Google search, whereas ChatGPT usage is through the app.
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- spankalee 11mo agohttps://gemini.google.com/ https://gemini.google.com/
- keiferski 11mo agoNo folders or way to organize the history. It’s just a log of questions. ChatGPT is much more designed around organizing your projects and folders.
- ElectricalUnion 11mo agoNotebookLM?
- lateforwork 11mo agoWhat is the cost of delivering regular search results vs. answering an AI chat question? How do you sell ads through each of these channels? If you consider those angles you'll see that Google does not want AI chat to replace Google search any time soon. Google is being dragged into this kicking and screaming. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
- Yossarrian22 11mo agoIt’s interesting, it’s almost like if Kodak did end up making best in class digital cameras
- lateforwork 11mo agoNo, it is harder. Google doesn't just have to make the best AI chat, they also have to figure out how to make profit from it. That's something no one has figured out yet. Open AI can make a loss every year, but if Google makes a loss the stock is going to tank.
- dist-epoch 11mo agoYou can get a $20 OpenAI subscription for some serious usage. Google has no such thing for Gemini, it's subscriptions are brain-dead, expensive bundled with 2 TB of storage and other shit that I don't want.
- ohyoutravel 11mo agoIsn’t Gemini the same price for the same usage as OpenAI? I agree they bundle extra things in there, but you don’t have to use them. If you just used Gemini for $20 you’d be equally situated as OpenAI for $20 on the model front.
- sfifs 11mo agoIt's actually cheaper if you subscribe as family on Google One.