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- don't learn from what you tell them - don't have career growth that you can feel good about having contributed to - don't have a genuine interest in accompl

- don't learn from what you tell them - don't have career growth that you can feel good about having contributed to - don't have a genuine interest in accomplishment or team goals - have no past and no future. When you change companies, they won't recognize you in the hall. - no ownership over results. If they make a mistake, they won't suffer.

cambaceres 11mo ago
Sounds like my teammates.
CamperBob2 11mo ago
- don't learn from what you tell them We'll fix that, eventually. - don't have career growth that you can feel good about having contributed to Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are. I feel pretty goddamned awesome about that. It's what we're supposed to be doing. - don't have a genuine interest in accomplishment or team goals Easy to train for, if it turns out to be necessary. I'd always assumed that a competitive drive would be necessary in order to achieve or at least simulate human-level intelligence, but things don't seem to be playing out that way. - have no past and no future. When you change companies, they won't recognize you in the hall. Or on the picket line. - no ownership over results. If they make a mistake, they won't suffer. Good deal. Less human suffering is usually worth striving for.
- noduerme 11mo ago
  Replace suffering with caring and have your AI write that again.
  - CamperBob2 11mo ago
    Why would I do a goofy thing like that?
    - noduerme 11mo ago
      >>Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are. I feel pretty goddamned awesome about that. It's what we're supposed to be doing. Have you ever spent any time around children? How about people who think they're accomplishing a great mission by releasing truly noxious ones on the world? You just dismissed the entire notion of accountability as an unnecessary form of suffering, which is right up there with the most nihilistic ideas ever said by, idk, Dostoevsky's underground man or Raskolnikov. Don't waste your life on being the Joker.
- recursive 11mo ago
  > Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are. I feel pretty goddamned awesome about that. It's what we're supposed to be doing. It's also the premise of The Matrix. I feel pretty goddamned uneasy about that.
  - CamperBob2 11mo ago
    (Shrug) There are other sources of inspiration besides dystopic sci-fi movies. There's the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel, for instance. Better not work on language translation, which after all is how the whole LLM thing got started.
    - recursive 11mo ago
      Sometimes fiction went in the wrong direction. Sometimes it didn't go far enough. In any case, the matrix wasn't my inspiration here, but it is a pithy way to describe the concept. It's hard to imagine how humans maintain relevancy if we really do manage to invent something smarter than us. It could be that my imagination is limited though. I've been accused of that before.
- lowsong 11mo ago
  > We'll fix that, eventually. > Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are. You're not describing a system that exists. You're describing a system that might exist in some sci-fi fantasy future. You might as well be saying "there's no point learning to code because soon the rapture will come".
  - CamperBob2 11mo ago
    That particular future exists now, it's just not evenly distributed. Gemini 2.5 Pro Thinking is already as good at programming as I am. Architecture, probably not, but give it time. It's far better at math than I am, and at least as good at writing.
    - aDyslecticCrow 11mo ago
      Computers beat us in maths decades ago, yet LLMs are not able to beat a calculator half of the time. The maths benchmarks that companies so proudly show off are still the realm of a traditional symbolic solvers. You claiming much success in asking LLMS for math makes me question if you have actually asked an LLM about maths. Most AI experts not heavily invested in the stocks of inflated tech companies seem to agree that current architectures cannot reach AGI. It's a sci-fi dream, but hyping it is real profitable. We can destroy ourselves plenty with the tech we already have, but it won't be a robot revolution that does it.
      - CamperBob2 11mo ago
        The maths benchmarks that companies so proudly show off are still the realm of a traditional symbolic solvers. You claiming much success in asking LLMS for math makes me question if you have actually asked an LLM about maths. What I really need to ask an LLM for is a pointer to a forum that doesn't cultivate proud exhibition of ignorance, Luddism, and general stupidity at the level exhibited by commenters in this entire HN story, and in this subthread in particular. We already had one Reddit, we didn't need two.
- apical_dendrite 11mo ago
  > It's what we're supposed to be doing. Why?
  - wartywhoa23 11mo ago
    Because venture capital managers say so.
- deleted 11mo ago
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hmans 11mo ago
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AstroBen 11mo ago
Imagine having these complaints about a screwdriver It's a tool, not an intelligent being
- timeon 11mo ago
  I do not need to babysit my screwdriver.
  - ponector 11mo ago
    Yet. Next year there will be AI screwdriver your employer force you to use.
    - phs318u 11mo ago
      At first, I thought “ponector’s forgotten to add the /s” Then I realised that this will actually happen, and was sadly reminded we’re now in the post-sarcasm era.
      - ponector 11mo ago
        And you can buy AI screwdriver today from Amazon!
- switchbak 11mo ago
  Yeah, if my screwdriver undid the changes I just made to my mower, constantly ignored my desire to unscrew screws and instead punched a hole in my carb - I'd be throwing that screwdriver in the garbage.
Sammi 11mo ago
- don't learn from what you tell them Whenever I have a model fix something new I ask it to update the markdown implementation guides I have in the docs folder in my projects. I add these files to context as needed. I have one for implementing routes and one for implementing backend tests and so on. They then know how to do stuff in the future in my projects.
- kvirani 11mo ago
  Can this additional prompt from you also be automated? I do this too but I forget sometimes. I don't know if a general rule will be enough ?
- troupo 11mo ago
  > I add these files to context as needed. Key words are these. > They then know how to do stuff in the future in my projects. No. No, they don't. Every new session is a blank slate, and you have to feed those markdown files manually to their context.
  - latentsea 11mo ago
    The feeding can be automated in some cases. In GitHub copilot you can put it under .github/instructions and each instructions markdown file starts with a section that contains a regex of which files to apply the instructions to.
    - blktiger 11mo ago
      You can also have an index file that describes when to use each file (nest with additional folders and index files as needed) and tell the agent to check the index for any relevant documentation they should read before they start. Sometimes it will forget and not consult the docs but often it will consult the relevant docs first to load just the things it needs for the task at hand.
      - troupo 11mo ago
        So, again, they don't learn.

cambaceres 11mo ago

Sounds like my teammates.

CamperBob2 11mo ago

- don't learn from what you tell them We'll fix that, eventually. - don't have career growth that you can feel good about having contributed to Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are. I feel pretty goddamned awesome about that. It's what we're supposed to be doing. - don't have a genuine interest in accomplishment or team goals Easy to train for, if it turns out to be necessary. I'd always assumed that a competitive drive would be necessary in order to achieve or at least simulate human-level intelligence, but things don't seem to be playing out that way. - have no past and no future. When you change companies, they won't recognize you in the hall. Or on the picket line. - no ownership over results. If they make a mistake, they won't suffer. Good deal. Less human suffering is usually worth striving for.

noduerme 11mo ago
Replace suffering with caring and have your AI write that again.
- CamperBob2 11mo ago
  Why would I do a goofy thing like that?
  - noduerme 11mo ago
    >>Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are. I feel pretty goddamned awesome about that. It's what we're supposed to be doing. Have you ever spent any time around children? How about people who think they're accomplishing a great mission by releasing truly noxious ones on the world? You just dismissed the entire notion of accountability as an unnecessary form of suffering, which is right up there with the most nihilistic ideas ever said by, idk, Dostoevsky's underground man or Raskolnikov. Don't waste your life on being the Joker.
recursive 11mo ago
> Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are. I feel pretty goddamned awesome about that. It's what we're supposed to be doing. It's also the premise of The Matrix. I feel pretty goddamned uneasy about that.
- CamperBob2 11mo ago
  (Shrug) There are other sources of inspiration besides dystopic sci-fi movies. There's the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel, for instance. Better not work on language translation, which after all is how the whole LLM thing got started.
  - recursive 11mo ago
    Sometimes fiction went in the wrong direction. Sometimes it didn't go far enough. In any case, the matrix wasn't my inspiration here, but it is a pithy way to describe the concept. It's hard to imagine how humans maintain relevancy if we really do manage to invent something smarter than us. It could be that my imagination is limited though. I've been accused of that before.
lowsong 11mo ago
> We'll fix that, eventually. > Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are. You're not describing a system that exists. You're describing a system that might exist in some sci-fi fantasy future. You might as well be saying "there's no point learning to code because soon the rapture will come".
- CamperBob2 11mo ago
  That particular future exists now, it's just not evenly distributed. Gemini 2.5 Pro Thinking is already as good at programming as I am. Architecture, probably not, but give it time. It's far better at math than I am, and at least as good at writing.
  - aDyslecticCrow 11mo ago
    Computers beat us in maths decades ago, yet LLMs are not able to beat a calculator half of the time. The maths benchmarks that companies so proudly show off are still the realm of a traditional symbolic solvers. You claiming much success in asking LLMS for math makes me question if you have actually asked an LLM about maths. Most AI experts not heavily invested in the stocks of inflated tech companies seem to agree that current architectures cannot reach AGI. It's a sci-fi dream, but hyping it is real profitable. We can destroy ourselves plenty with the tech we already have, but it won't be a robot revolution that does it.
    - CamperBob2 11mo ago
      The maths benchmarks that companies so proudly show off are still the realm of a traditional symbolic solvers. You claiming much success in asking LLMS for math makes me question if you have actually asked an LLM about maths. What I really need to ask an LLM for is a pointer to a forum that doesn't cultivate proud exhibition of ignorance, Luddism, and general stupidity at the level exhibited by commenters in this entire HN story, and in this subthread in particular. We already had one Reddit, we didn't need two.
apical_dendrite 11mo ago
> It's what we're supposed to be doing. Why?
- wartywhoa23 11mo ago
  Because venture capital managers say so.
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hmans 11mo ago

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AstroBen 11mo ago

Imagine having these complaints about a screwdriver It's a tool, not an intelligent being

timeon 11mo ago
I do not need to babysit my screwdriver.
- ponector 11mo ago
  Yet. Next year there will be AI screwdriver your employer force you to use.
  - phs318u 11mo ago
    At first, I thought “ponector’s forgotten to add the /s” Then I realised that this will actually happen, and was sadly reminded we’re now in the post-sarcasm era.
    - ponector 11mo ago
      And you can buy AI screwdriver today from Amazon!
switchbak 11mo ago
Yeah, if my screwdriver undid the changes I just made to my mower, constantly ignored my desire to unscrew screws and instead punched a hole in my carb - I'd be throwing that screwdriver in the garbage.

Sammi 11mo ago

- don't learn from what you tell them Whenever I have a model fix something new I ask it to update the markdown implementation guides I have in the docs folder in my projects. I add these files to context as needed. I have one for implementing routes and one for implementing backend tests and so on. They then know how to do stuff in the future in my projects.

kvirani 11mo ago
Can this additional prompt from you also be automated? I do this too but I forget sometimes. I don't know if a general rule will be enough ?
troupo 11mo ago
> I add these files to context as needed. Key words are these. > They then know how to do stuff in the future in my projects. No. No, they don't. Every new session is a blank slate, and you have to feed those markdown files manually to their context.
- latentsea 11mo ago
  The feeding can be automated in some cases. In GitHub copilot you can put it under .github/instructions and each instructions markdown file starts with a section that contains a regex of which files to apply the instructions to.
  - blktiger 11mo ago
    You can also have an index file that describes when to use each file (nest with additional folders and index files as needed) and tell the agent to check the index for any relevant documentation they should read before they start. Sometimes it will forget and not consult the docs but often it will consult the relevant docs first to load just the things it needs for the task at hand.
    - troupo 11mo ago
      So, again, they don't learn.