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At least in America, "a successful private company went public" often translates into "ordinary people got a bit of gold, selfish vulture capitalists butchered

At least in America, "a successful private company went public" often translates into "ordinary people got a bit of gold, selfish vulture capitalists butchered the goose, and there was precious little success or growth for anyone after that". (Also - might your "allow ordinary people to participate" sympathies extend to people who would like to participate in your own financial affairs?)

baxtr 1y ago
Yes, exactly! Selfish VC becoming filthy rich through an IPO is exactly my point. Up to an IPO a private company will only make their owners rich - in your example "selfish vulture capitalists". After an IPO anyone can participate. When Google, Amazon, Apple went public, VCs got rich. Everyone after that included every day people like you and me.
- bell-cot 1y ago
  No - the selfish vulture capitalists are the outsiders who purchase a private company which has been successful for many years, then butcher it. There is no IPO - it is "you own X, and we are offering you $Y million to sell it to us". After that - X's best assets are sold off (the VC's get the money), X goes deeply into debt (again, the VC's get the money), many of the employees are laid off, and X generally goes bankrupt within 7 years - because what is left of it can't make the payments on the debt.
  - Gooblebrai 1y ago
    I don't understand your comment. You are both talking about public companies, and suddenly you are now talking about private equity?
    - bell-cot 1y ago
      (You're right - I made a mess of things, and inter-mingled the cases where a privately-owned company is sold directly to private equity / vulture capitalists, and the case where a privately-owned company "goes public" - but that still does not lead to a happy ending.)
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    >the selfish vulture capitalists are the outsiders who purchase a private company which has been successful for many years, then butcher it. Sounds like the selfish vulture capitalists are the insiders who sell the company. >X's best assets are sold off (the VC's get the money), X goes deeply into debt (again, the VC's get the money), many of the employees are laid off, and X generally goes bankrupt within 7 years - because what is left of it can't make the payments on the debt. This doesn't make any sense, because X is the original asset. If part of X is sold, then the remaining portion of X loses value (assuming the sold part is the good part). If X is used as collateral, then it also loses value.
- zyx321 1y ago
  Privately-owned companies can provide better value to their customers. They can invest in customer trust and brand value that pays off over decades, not quarters. They can also choose enshittification, but they are not pressured into it like companies with institutional investors are. As a Hetzner customer, I would lose out if they went public.
riku_iki 1y ago
> "ordinary people got a bit of gold, selfish vulture capitalists butchered the goose some ordinary people who worked hard and made it happened: founders and early workers, usually rewarded very well

baxtr 1y ago

Yes, exactly! Selfish VC becoming filthy rich through an IPO is exactly my point. Up to an IPO a private company will only make their owners rich - in your example "selfish vulture capitalists". After an IPO anyone can participate. When Google, Amazon, Apple went public, VCs got rich. Everyone after that included every day people like you and me.

bell-cot 1y ago
No - the selfish vulture capitalists are the outsiders who purchase a private company which has been successful for many years, then butcher it. There is no IPO - it is "you own X, and we are offering you $Y million to sell it to us". After that - X's best assets are sold off (the VC's get the money), X goes deeply into debt (again, the VC's get the money), many of the employees are laid off, and X generally goes bankrupt within 7 years - because what is left of it can't make the payments on the debt.
- Gooblebrai 1y ago
  I don't understand your comment. You are both talking about public companies, and suddenly you are now talking about private equity?
  - bell-cot 1y ago
    (You're right - I made a mess of things, and inter-mingled the cases where a privately-owned company is sold directly to private equity / vulture capitalists, and the case where a privately-owned company "goes public" - but that still does not lead to a happy ending.)
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  >the selfish vulture capitalists are the outsiders who purchase a private company which has been successful for many years, then butcher it. Sounds like the selfish vulture capitalists are the insiders who sell the company. >X's best assets are sold off (the VC's get the money), X goes deeply into debt (again, the VC's get the money), many of the employees are laid off, and X generally goes bankrupt within 7 years - because what is left of it can't make the payments on the debt. This doesn't make any sense, because X is the original asset. If part of X is sold, then the remaining portion of X loses value (assuming the sold part is the good part). If X is used as collateral, then it also loses value.
zyx321 1y ago
Privately-owned companies can provide better value to their customers. They can invest in customer trust and brand value that pays off over decades, not quarters. They can also choose enshittification, but they are not pressured into it like companies with institutional investors are. As a Hetzner customer, I would lose out if they went public.

riku_iki 1y ago

> "ordinary people got a bit of gold, selfish vulture capitalists butchered the goose some ordinary people who worked hard and made it happened: founders and early workers, usually rewarded very well