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Oh no, not another VSCode fork...

rvz 1y ago
Many software engineering principles have been broken. Google using Electron tells us that quality control is completely out of the window. Unbelievable.
- user34283 1y ago
  I tried writing a native Windows app using WinUI 3. I wasted a day on trying to get some PNGs to render correctly, but no matter the config I used, the colors came out wrongly oversaturated. I used Tauri with a WebView, and the app was rendering the images perfectly fine. On top of that the UI looked much better, and I was done in half the time I spend trying to fix the rendering issue in WinUI 3. Never again will I go native.
  - sirwhinesalot 1y ago
    To be fair WinUI3 is particularly bad. If you're forced to install a 100MB runtime anyway, might as well make that runtime be a browser.
    - user34283 1y ago
      Since Tauri uses the system's WebView, it shouldn't be that big. The docs say a minimal app could be 600 KB.
      - sirwhinesalot 11mo ago
        Yeah, Tauri is better in that regard. My point is if the comparison is with WinUI, you might as well use Electron.
- morshu9001 1y ago
  Native app dev is covered in red tape and puts you at the mercy of Apple etc. It's unfortunate that things are so inefficient now, but competition is good, and native platforms can get good.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    > Native app dev is covered in red tape and puts you at the mercy of Apple etc. ... Aren't we talking about a programming IDE here? When did mobile become anything like the primary market for that? Are people expected to sit around for hours inputting symbols with an OSK?
    - deleted 1y ago
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    - morshu9001 11mo ago
      Mac. It's a pain to target, and I don't mean cause of the code signing.
  - timeon 1y ago
    If Zed can make it, even with completely new stack, why not Google? What are all this LLMs for when everything is just fork of electron app? Does not look like good marketing.
    - morshu9001 11mo ago
      I'm not ignoring this question, I'm just not familiar with Zed and don't know how native it feels. Maybe Vscode is quicker to modify in the future as needed (esp if Google already uses it), or Antigravity is better in ways than Zed, or Zed just has a more skilled team than Google. Also I'm used to vim and sensitive to lag, so I always hated vscode, but seems a lot of people don't notice or something. And when you're using AI for 90% of the loc, it matters less.
badgersnake 1y ago
Looks like they managed to make it Mac only in the process.
- koakuma-chan 1y ago
  I would love this to be true to further make fun of Electron, but I don't think it's Mac only. https://antigravity.google/download https://antigravity.google/download
  - badgersnake 1y ago
    Ahh you’re right. The UX of that site is bad on my phone.

rvz 1y ago

Many software engineering principles have been broken. Google using Electron tells us that quality control is completely out of the window. Unbelievable.

user34283 1y ago
I tried writing a native Windows app using WinUI 3. I wasted a day on trying to get some PNGs to render correctly, but no matter the config I used, the colors came out wrongly oversaturated. I used Tauri with a WebView, and the app was rendering the images perfectly fine. On top of that the UI looked much better, and I was done in half the time I spend trying to fix the rendering issue in WinUI 3. Never again will I go native.
- sirwhinesalot 1y ago
  To be fair WinUI3 is particularly bad. If you're forced to install a 100MB runtime anyway, might as well make that runtime be a browser.
  - user34283 1y ago
    Since Tauri uses the system's WebView, it shouldn't be that big. The docs say a minimal app could be 600 KB.
    - sirwhinesalot 11mo ago
      Yeah, Tauri is better in that regard. My point is if the comparison is with WinUI, you might as well use Electron.
morshu9001 1y ago
Native app dev is covered in red tape and puts you at the mercy of Apple etc. It's unfortunate that things are so inefficient now, but competition is good, and native platforms can get good.
- zahlman 1y ago
  > Native app dev is covered in red tape and puts you at the mercy of Apple etc. ... Aren't we talking about a programming IDE here? When did mobile become anything like the primary market for that? Are people expected to sit around for hours inputting symbols with an OSK?
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - morshu9001 11mo ago
    Mac. It's a pain to target, and I don't mean cause of the code signing.
- timeon 1y ago
  If Zed can make it, even with completely new stack, why not Google? What are all this LLMs for when everything is just fork of electron app? Does not look like good marketing.
  - morshu9001 11mo ago
    I'm not ignoring this question, I'm just not familiar with Zed and don't know how native it feels. Maybe Vscode is quicker to modify in the future as needed (esp if Google already uses it), or Antigravity is better in ways than Zed, or Zed just has a more skilled team than Google. Also I'm used to vim and sensitive to lag, so I always hated vscode, but seems a lot of people don't notice or something. And when you're using AI for 90% of the loc, it matters less.

badgersnake 1y ago

Looks like they managed to make it Mac only in the process.

koakuma-chan 1y ago
I would love this to be true to further make fun of Electron, but I don't think it's Mac only. https://antigravity.google/download https://antigravity.google/download
- badgersnake 1y ago
  Ahh you’re right. The UX of that site is bad on my phone.