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A day at Hetzner Online in the Falkenstein data center
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIjdKIMQh4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIjdKIMQh4s
- IlikeKitties 1y ago[flagged]
- yomismoaqui 1y agoMaybe I will regret this, but... care to elaborate?
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- yomismoaqui 1y agoThanks! Sometimes I like to do some drama tourism ;)
- Freak_NL 1y agoLocation of Hetzner's Falkenstein data centre, for the curious: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/606528332#map=13/50.46220/12.35567&layers=P https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/606528332#map=13/50.46220/...
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- boldlybold 1y agoVideo didn't display for me even after turning off content blockers, here's the url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIjdKIMQh4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIjdKIMQh4s
- tcfhgj 1y agoworks with Firefox + uBlock Origin + canvas blocker
- ArtTimeInvestor 1y agoHetzner is awesome. I wish they would go public. Would be very interesting to see how their business is doing compared to IONOS and OVH. We need more public cloud companies in Europe.
- progbits 1y agoWhy would you want a company you like to go public? To keep chasing profits to the detriment of everything else?
- moooo99 1y agoWhy in the world would one want a company like this to go public? They are a very stable, established and profitable private entity. Based on what Hetzner is doing right now, it seems like the current way of operating that is intended by the leadership is closely aligned with what their customers want. This is often the first thing that goes out the window once a company becomes public
- Freak_NL 1y ago> I wish they would go public. I wish that they'll just keep on running a good profitable business without going public, or getting bought by Amazon, or otherwise shifting focus to providing shareholder value.
- sdoering 1y agoThis. I am a happy paying customer. Recommend them to my clients whenever it makes sense (more often than not). And hope they just keep running like they do as profitable business, like you said.
- philipwhiuk 1y ago> I wish they would go public. If they go public they will be bought by foreign private equity.
- baxtr 1y agoYes I agree, we need more public companies in Europe. Private companies are inherently less social since they don’t allow ordinary people to participate in growth. In this sense, they’re selfish. PS: yes I know that there are also downsides to public companies. But looking at the trade-offs I prefer that success can be shared as broadly as possible.
- esafak 1y agoDo tech companies like Hetzner count as mittelstands?
- IlikeKitties 1y ago"Mittelstand" in Germany seems to be roughly: below 500 Employees, below 50 Million € turnover. Hetzner makes more like 400 Million € turnover but with 300 Employees. So it's technically above it but they are propably a very tight margin buisness. As such i'd say yes.
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- elcapitan 1y agoMittelstand is singular (like middle class). I would say decidedly yes for Hetzner. Mittelstand can somewhat be characterized by size, but it's mostly that they are more like a family, have different values and more long term thinking than the larger industry and public companies. It's also kind of a brand that many companies would like to attribute to themselves, even much larger companies that like that seal of quality.
- noir_lord 1y agoHad a server in that DC for a few years until recently (no knock on Hetzner they where excellent, just didn't need it any more). Robot is a brutally functional tool but it does function (well) and had zero issues.
- john01dav 1y agoRegarding Robot, I think that it's completely fine for what it is. I almost never interact with it, and instead just configure my server as I see fit over ssh. Hetzner's value proposition is extremely cheap no frills servers -- you're paying for the server, not the management interface. If you want management interfaces that do a lot of useful work, use a cloud.
- noir_lord 1y agoYup, which is why I said brutally functional and not broken. I like brutally functional it just needs to get me to SSH and I'm good.
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- jsheard 1y agoDer8auer did some similar videos a few years ago, but in English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eo8nz_niiM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eo8nz_niiM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2P8mjWRqpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2P8mjWRqpk The second is especially interesting as it demonstrates Hetzner's unique semi-custom hardware.
- yrro 1y agoI love Hetzner. That said their IPv6 support is poor. A server gets a /64 only, if you want a /56 (allowing 256 container networks) then you have to pay €15. As for virtual networks: they only support IPv4! At least they're not as bad as Azure... :)
- matt-p 1y agoWhy do you need ipv6 on your internal network? Is 10/8 really not enough/overlap? For 99.99% of people it's fine for the internal interfaces and if anything actually simplifies configuration.
- yrro 1y agoThe purpose of a network is to allow any two consenting parties to communicate. IPv4 cannot deliver that if either party has an RFC1918 address. NAT is a foul perversion of this foundational principle of the Internet Protocol.
- fulafel 1y agoFor a lot of use cases a major advantage of IPv6 is to get away from ambiguous rfc1918 addressing. You can then just put an allow rule between arbitrary v6 addresses anywhere on the internet when you need connectivity without any other hacks like proxies, NAT, etc and the associated complexity and addressing ambiguity/context dependence of rfc1918 addresses. So fex you can just curl or ssh to your mycontainer.mydomain.net or you can put an allow rule from mycontainer.mydomain.net to a vm or laptop on your home network. Internetworking, they call it.
- colonCapitalDee 1y agoI have a tiny Hetzner VPS (2 vCPUs, 2 Gb RAM) in their west us datacenter that costs me $5.59 a month. I get 1 TB a month free outgoing bandwidth and unlimited incoming bandwidth, plus additional outgoing bandwidth at a rate of $1.20 per TB. I host my personal project's git LFS server there, a file server, and a Caddy instance that proxies over Tailscale to a more powerful box in my apartment. It's a great homelab architecture and I couldn't be happier with it. Thanks Hetzner!
- kalaksi 1y agoThey still have VPSes with 2G of RAM? I'm checking the cloud price page* and you can get CX23 with 2 vCPU, 4G RAM and 20TB of traffic (seems to say that it's 1TB for US) for 3,49€/month (~4 USD). You can save additional 0,50€ if you go with only IPv6. Maybe it's location dependent, I can't get it to show me prices for US. * https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/ https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/
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- stavros 1y agoI think they retired a bunch of machines one or two weeks ago. I was prompted to upgrade my machine at no extra cost, anyway.
- colonCapitalDee 1y agoYep, just checked, 2 GB RAM. That CX23 sounds like a great deal, 20 TB of free outgoing is ridiculous. But I live in west us and I rarely hit my 1 TB free bandwidth cap anyway, so the added latency isn't worth it
- Hetzner_OL 1y agoHi there, At the top of the website, you should be able to choose euros or dollars and the VAT rate. When people become customers and create a full customer account, we ask them to choose between euros or dollars, and then using the customer's location from their account, we automatically apply the correct VAT. So customers see the correct price on the interface where customers create their orders. But you may have to set it manually on the website. --Katie
- tcdent 1y agoHetzner certainly has this cult-like following mostly because of their low cost. I assume it is a recent push toward these kind of open frame, super minimalist, consumer hardware based systems (I don't speak german and didn't translate the video). It looks like they're using lots of consumer hardware and very little redundancy; you'll notice that the power supplies are generic ATX units and they're not doubled up. And then they're also running the onboard networking with a second connection which looks like it's for just a management system. Might not even be 10 gigabit networking. It's interesting that in an era where almost all of the major players are moving toward cable-free arrangements i.e. backplanes with fully integrated power and networking, etc., they're instead opting for the rat's nest of cabling. It must have something to do with lower labor costs vs hardware costs. The amount of density that they are achieving with those systems is also incredibly low relatively speaking.
- radiator 1y ago25 Gigabit networking is mentioned in the video. As for the low density, it might have something to do with their mentioned freecooling concept, which does not use cooling machines, but a controlled stream of air coming from outside.
- lifty 1y agoThis summer their Amsterdam DC went down because of the record breaking temperature in Amsterdam. Wondering if they use the same cooling technique there. They did mention it was because of cooling.