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Remember if it costs nothing, you’re the product.
by loloquwowndueo 1y ago
Remember if it costs nothing, you’re the product.
- terminalshort 1y agoThis isn't true for paid services with a free tier
- grayhatter 1y agoNah, the cliche still applies there as well.
- terminalshort 1y agoNo it really doesn't. How are you the product when Cloudflare gives you free tier access? That's not their business model. You aren't the product, but you are an upsell lead for the sales team.
- grayhatter 1y agoSales teams don't pay for leads? If you keep me around, exclusively because the sales team wants to show me something... I'm the product. Follow up question, if I actually start using the DDoS protection or other services... will cloudflare cut me off unless I pay? Will that charge be exorbitant? Does that behavior feel like extortion? Have they done that before?
- terminalshort 1y agoIf the Cloudflare free tier TOS allows them to sell your data then I would agree that "you are the product". IDK if it does, but I would put my money on no. I have only used CF at the enterprise level so IDK if DDoS protection is free tier. Surprise billing like that is bad behavior, but it's not "you are the product" behavior.
- grayhatter 1y agoFacebook also doesn't sell your data, but you're definitely still the product when they provide a free service in order to capture attention? > [...] but it's not "you are the product" behavior. Discarding the context for the thread, probably. But if we're discarding context, "you're removed when you start to consume resources" isn't you're the customer behavior either. Maybe, it's you're the patsy behavior?
- immibis 1y agoThey're logging all decrypted traffic to your website, that's the product.
- ranger_danger 11mo agoSource:
- immibis 11mo agohttps://developers.cloudflare.com/fundamentals/concepts/how-cloudflare-works/#cloudflare-as-a-reverse-proxy https://developers.cloudflare.com/fundamentals/concepts/how-...
- ranger_danger 11mo agoI don't see anything on this page that claims they log all decrypted traffic.
- jajuuka 1y agoAnd if you pay for it, you're still the product. This false notion of Paying = Better is driven entirely by profit seeking companies who want you to pay them for access and then they want to get paid for showing you ads as well.
- loloquwowndueo 1y agoOh sure - I mean, bmw heated seats anyone? But even there you’re still not the product, you’re captive audience that might put up with that kind of abuse because of sunken cost fallacy and all that.