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> These are the companies that if it comes to war Well, if you keep preparing for one you'll be the one starting it...

by lm28469 1y ago

graemep 1y ago
"If you want peace, prepare for war."
- lm28469 1y ago
  That's a nice quote, the problem is that once you gave birth to a giant you need to keep feeding it. We can see how it's going for Russia right now. It also doesn't mean you should build private surveillance companies tightly coupled to a single political party, with all the conflicts of interest it brings
  - boxed 1y ago
    You mean the same Russia that the US and Europe has been too weak to stop? That's not a great argument...
    - lm28469 1y ago
      That's one way to see it, the other way to see it is that they're bleeding russia dry while making big bucks on arms sales, basically forcing the EU to buy fracking gas at 4x markup and ensuring they'll get all the juicy reconstruction contracts.
- leshow 1y ago
  modern american history shows how wrong this is. US has been at war almost every year since the end of WW2.
- deleted 1y ago
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terminalshort 1y ago
And if you don't, you'll be the one losing it.
lunias 1y ago
Huh? Does preparing for winter make it come faster? Do you cause the winter through your preparation for it?
- lm28469 1y ago
  See you're already assuming war is coming and that it is a fact of life, inevitable just as winter is. With that mindset there is no other alternatives from the get go If you walk around with a gun in your pocket drooling about self defence scenarios you might end up escalating a situation that could have been avoided altogether.
  - lunias 1y ago
    And you're assuming war is not coming? That there will never be another war? Don't get me wrong, I'm anti-war, but that sounds like an unwise assumption to make given history. > If you walk around with a gun in your pocket drooling about self defence scenarios you might end up escalating a situation that could have been avoided altogether. True, but this is another big assumption about the character of the person carrying the gun. The statistics on people with a permit to carry and the usage of their weapons tell a different story than you present. That is, they are much more likely to deescalate, most defensive gun usages require no shots fired, and license to carry owners are much less likely than the general population to commit or be convicted of a crime.
  - terminalshort 1y ago
    > See you're already assuming war is coming and that it is a fact of life, inevitable just as winter is. I am because it is

> These are the companies that if it comes to war Well, if you keep preparing for one you'll be the one starting it...

graemep 1y ago

"If you want peace, prepare for war."

lm28469 1y ago
That's a nice quote, the problem is that once you gave birth to a giant you need to keep feeding it. We can see how it's going for Russia right now. It also doesn't mean you should build private surveillance companies tightly coupled to a single political party, with all the conflicts of interest it brings
- boxed 1y ago
  You mean the same Russia that the US and Europe has been too weak to stop? That's not a great argument...
  - lm28469 1y ago
    That's one way to see it, the other way to see it is that they're bleeding russia dry while making big bucks on arms sales, basically forcing the EU to buy fracking gas at 4x markup and ensuring they'll get all the juicy reconstruction contracts.
leshow 1y ago
modern american history shows how wrong this is. US has been at war almost every year since the end of WW2.
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terminalshort 1y ago

And if you don't, you'll be the one losing it.

lunias 1y ago

Huh? Does preparing for winter make it come faster? Do you cause the winter through your preparation for it?

lm28469 1y ago
See you're already assuming war is coming and that it is a fact of life, inevitable just as winter is. With that mindset there is no other alternatives from the get go If you walk around with a gun in your pocket drooling about self defence scenarios you might end up escalating a situation that could have been avoided altogether.
- lunias 1y ago
  And you're assuming war is not coming? That there will never be another war? Don't get me wrong, I'm anti-war, but that sounds like an unwise assumption to make given history. > If you walk around with a gun in your pocket drooling about self defence scenarios you might end up escalating a situation that could have been avoided altogether. True, but this is another big assumption about the character of the person carrying the gun. The statistics on people with a permit to carry and the usage of their weapons tell a different story than you present. That is, they are much more likely to deescalate, most defensive gun usages require no shots fired, and license to carry owners are much less likely than the general population to commit or be convicted of a crime.
- terminalshort 1y ago
  > See you're already assuming war is coming and that it is a fact of life, inevitable just as winter is. I am because it is