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Nope. Actions that harm social bonds, judging that shames, excludes, or hurts is antisocial even if many people do it. Also this post has the classic logical e

by whstl 1y ago

Nope. Actions that harm social bonds, judging that shames, excludes, or hurts is antisocial even if many people do it. Also this post has the classic logical error of assuming that because something is a certain way, it should be that way. > Reality doesn't care about good or bad Likewise: What you call "social truths" are real in that they shape behavior and consequences, but they’re conventions, not objective moral facts, and they can be unjust or oppressive.

coldtea 1y ago
>judging that shames, excludes, or hurts is antisocial even if many people do it. That's a modern dellusion. Sociology (and common wisdom) tells us that judgment "that shames, excludes, or hurts" is necessary for the development of morality, social cohesion, and cooperation. Note: not any random judgment "that shames, excludes, or hurts" has this possitive role, but plenty of judgements that "shame, exclude, or hurt", meaning that judgement that "shames, excludes, or hurts" is a useful social tool.
- whstl 1y ago
  And there is nothing positive or productive about the kind of judgement I'm talking about.
  - lazide 1y ago
    What kind are you talking about? Refusing to be an asshole to someone being an asshole just enables them being an asshole. Refusing to judge if someone is being an asshole, ensures that someone being an asshole will see no consequences for being an asshole.
    - whstl 1y ago
      I'm criticizing being an asshole to people who are not naturally the way society expects and had to work their way through. But to be fair I'm mostly criticizing useless HN post-hoc rationalization. > Refusing to be an asshole to someone being an asshole just enables them being an asshole. I have nothing to do with this. > Refusing to judge if someone is being an asshole, ensures that someone being an asshole will see no consequences for being an asshole. I also have nothing to do with this.
      - lazide 11mo ago
        How is someone supposed to know that the person acting like an asshole is doing it because of some ‘good’ reason, or because they are just a jerk?
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by whstl 1y ago

coldtea 1y ago

>judging that shames, excludes, or hurts is antisocial even if many people do it. That's a modern dellusion. Sociology (and common wisdom) tells us that judgment "that shames, excludes, or hurts" is necessary for the development of morality, social cohesion, and cooperation. Note: not any random judgment "that shames, excludes, or hurts" has this possitive role, but plenty of judgements that "shame, exclude, or hurt", meaning that judgement that "shames, excludes, or hurts" is a useful social tool.

whstl 1y ago
And there is nothing positive or productive about the kind of judgement I'm talking about.
- lazide 1y ago
  What kind are you talking about? Refusing to be an asshole to someone being an asshole just enables them being an asshole. Refusing to judge if someone is being an asshole, ensures that someone being an asshole will see no consequences for being an asshole.
  - whstl 1y ago
    I'm criticizing being an asshole to people who are not naturally the way society expects and had to work their way through. But to be fair I'm mostly criticizing useless HN post-hoc rationalization. > Refusing to be an asshole to someone being an asshole just enables them being an asshole. I have nothing to do with this. > Refusing to judge if someone is being an asshole, ensures that someone being an asshole will see no consequences for being an asshole. I also have nothing to do with this.
    - lazide 11mo ago
      How is someone supposed to know that the person acting like an asshole is doing it because of some ‘good’ reason, or because they are just a jerk?
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