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Why? These models just leapfrog each other as time advances. One month Gemini is on top, then ChatGPT, then Anthropic. Not sure why everyone gets FOMO whenever

by Sol- 11mo ago

Why? These models just leapfrog each other as time advances. One month Gemini is on top, then ChatGPT, then Anthropic. Not sure why everyone gets FOMO whenever a new version gets released.

remus 11mo ago
I think google is uniquely well placed to make a profitable business out of AI: They make their own TPUs so don't have to pay ridiculous amounts of money to Nvidia, they have a great depth of talent in building models, they've got loads of data they can use for training and they've got a huge existing customer base who can buy their AI offerings. I don't think any other company has all these ingredients.
- gizmodo59 11mo ago
  While I don’t disagree that Google is the company you can’t bet against when it comes to AI, saying other companies are done is a stretch. If they have a significant moat then they should be at the top all the time by then which is not the case though.
  - remus 11mo ago
    Agreed, too early to write off others entirely. It'll be interesting to see who comes out the other side of the bubble with a working business.
    - adriand 11mo ago
      Anthropic has a fairly significant lead when it comes to enterprise usage and for coding. This seems like a workable business model to me.
      - bootlooped 11mo ago
        I feel this is a tenuous position though. I find it incredibly easy to switch to Gemini CLI when I want a second opinion, or when Claude is down.
        adriand 11mo ago
        The enterprise sales cycle is often quite long, though, and often includes a lot of hurdles around compliance, legal, etc. It would take a fairly sustained loss of edge before a lot of enterprises would switch once they're hooked into a given platform. It's interesting to me that Sonnet 4.5 still edges Gemini 3 on SWE bench. This seems to bode well for the trajectory that Anthropic is on.
  - basch 11mo ago
    ChatGPT's moat is their name and user habit. People who are using it will keep using it. All/most of the products are _good enough_ for the people who already got used to using them, that they arent exploring competitors. Microsoft has the chance of changing habit the most by virtue of being bundled into business contracts that have companies with policies not allowing any other product in the workplace.
    - netdevphoenix 11mo ago
      > business contracts that have companies with policies not allowing any other product in the workplace. Elaborate please. Are you saying that MS is forcing customers to make Copilot the only allowed LLM product?
      - basch 11mo ago
        Not quite, but in effect. Microsoft has contracts to provide software to companies. Companies have policies that only provided software and ai is allowed. Ipso facto
    - remus 11mo ago
      > ChatGPT's moat is their name and user habit. People who are using it will keep using it. All/most of the products are _good enough_ for the people who already got used to using them, that they arent exploring competitors. They have a long way to go to become profitable though. Those users will get less sticky when openAI starts upping their pricing/putting ads everywhere/making the product worse to save money/all of the above.
- mlnj 11mo ago
  100% the reason I am long on Google. They can take their time to monetize these new costs. Even other search competitors have not proven to be a danger to Google. There is nothing stopping that search money coming in.
- spaceman_2020 11mo ago
  The bear case for Google was always the business side would cannibalize the AI side. AI makes search redundant which kills the golden goose
- Zigurd 11mo ago
  The TPU are a key factor. They are the most mature alternative to Nvidia. Only Google cloud, Azure, and AWS enable you to rent their respective AI chips. Out of those three, google is the only one to have a frontier model. So if they have a real advantage they're not exposed to the financial shenanigans propping up neo clouds like Coreweave.
- astrange 11mo ago
  Making your own stuff is definitely not always economically better. Google has the same supplier cost pressure as Nvidia for DRAM, fabs, etc.
redox99 11mo ago
Considering GPT 5 was only recently released, it's very unlikely GPT will achieve these scores in just a couple of months. If they had something this good in the oven, they'd probably left the GPT 5 name to it. Or maybe Google just benchmaxxed and this doesn't translate at all in real world performance.
- Palmik 11mo ago
  GPT 5 was released more than 3 months ago. Gemini 2.5 was released less than 8 months ago.
  - sidibe 11mo ago
    If not this model, Google at some point is going to get and stay ahead just because they have so many more people and compute resources they can throw at many directions while the others have to make the right choices with how they use their resources each time. Took a while to channel their numbers into a product direction but now I don't think they're going to let up
- blueblisters 11mo ago
  They do have unreleased Olympiad Gold-winning models that are definitely better than GPT5. TBD if that performance generalizes to other real world tasks.

by Sol- 11mo ago

Why? These models just leapfrog each other as time advances. One month Gemini is on top, then ChatGPT, then Anthropic. Not sure why everyone gets FOMO whenever a new version gets released.

remus 11mo ago

I think google is uniquely well placed to make a profitable business out of AI: They make their own TPUs so don't have to pay ridiculous amounts of money to Nvidia, they have a great depth of talent in building models, they've got loads of data they can use for training and they've got a huge existing customer base who can buy their AI offerings. I don't think any other company has all these ingredients.

gizmodo59 11mo ago
While I don’t disagree that Google is the company you can’t bet against when it comes to AI, saying other companies are done is a stretch. If they have a significant moat then they should be at the top all the time by then which is not the case though.
- remus 11mo ago
  Agreed, too early to write off others entirely. It'll be interesting to see who comes out the other side of the bubble with a working business.
  - adriand 11mo ago
    Anthropic has a fairly significant lead when it comes to enterprise usage and for coding. This seems like a workable business model to me.
    - bootlooped 11mo ago
      I feel this is a tenuous position though. I find it incredibly easy to switch to Gemini CLI when I want a second opinion, or when Claude is down.
      - adriand 11mo ago
        The enterprise sales cycle is often quite long, though, and often includes a lot of hurdles around compliance, legal, etc. It would take a fairly sustained loss of edge before a lot of enterprises would switch once they're hooked into a given platform. It's interesting to me that Sonnet 4.5 still edges Gemini 3 on SWE bench. This seems to bode well for the trajectory that Anthropic is on.
- basch 11mo ago
  ChatGPT's moat is their name and user habit. People who are using it will keep using it. All/most of the products are _good enough_ for the people who already got used to using them, that they arent exploring competitors. Microsoft has the chance of changing habit the most by virtue of being bundled into business contracts that have companies with policies not allowing any other product in the workplace.
  - netdevphoenix 11mo ago
    > business contracts that have companies with policies not allowing any other product in the workplace. Elaborate please. Are you saying that MS is forcing customers to make Copilot the only allowed LLM product?
    - basch 11mo ago
      Not quite, but in effect. Microsoft has contracts to provide software to companies. Companies have policies that only provided software and ai is allowed. Ipso facto
  - remus 11mo ago
    > ChatGPT's moat is their name and user habit. People who are using it will keep using it. All/most of the products are _good enough_ for the people who already got used to using them, that they arent exploring competitors. They have a long way to go to become profitable though. Those users will get less sticky when openAI starts upping their pricing/putting ads everywhere/making the product worse to save money/all of the above.
mlnj 11mo ago
100% the reason I am long on Google. They can take their time to monetize these new costs. Even other search competitors have not proven to be a danger to Google. There is nothing stopping that search money coming in.
spaceman_2020 11mo ago
The bear case for Google was always the business side would cannibalize the AI side. AI makes search redundant which kills the golden goose
Zigurd 11mo ago
The TPU are a key factor. They are the most mature alternative to Nvidia. Only Google cloud, Azure, and AWS enable you to rent their respective AI chips. Out of those three, google is the only one to have a frontier model. So if they have a real advantage they're not exposed to the financial shenanigans propping up neo clouds like Coreweave.
astrange 11mo ago
Making your own stuff is definitely not always economically better. Google has the same supplier cost pressure as Nvidia for DRAM, fabs, etc.

redox99 11mo ago

Considering GPT 5 was only recently released, it's very unlikely GPT will achieve these scores in just a couple of months. If they had something this good in the oven, they'd probably left the GPT 5 name to it. Or maybe Google just benchmaxxed and this doesn't translate at all in real world performance.

Palmik 11mo ago
GPT 5 was released more than 3 months ago. Gemini 2.5 was released less than 8 months ago.
- sidibe 11mo ago
  If not this model, Google at some point is going to get and stay ahead just because they have so many more people and compute resources they can throw at many directions while the others have to make the right choices with how they use their resources each time. Took a while to channel their numbers into a product direction but now I don't think they're going to let up
blueblisters 11mo ago
They do have unreleased Olympiad Gold-winning models that are definitely better than GPT5. TBD if that performance generalizes to other real world tasks.