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Playing the hand you were dealt is fine. Pulling an ace out of your sleeve is cheating.
by Hendrikto 11mo ago
Playing the hand you were dealt is fine. Pulling an ace out of your sleeve is cheating.
- whstl 11mo agoI'm talking about real life, not a card game.
- Hendrikto 11mo agoI am sure you are familiar with the concept of a metaphor.
- whstl 11mo agoOf course, but just because you can throw a metaphor around doesn't make it true. There is no "rule" in life that says that people have to be judgmental assholes to each other. Using a card game to justify the behavior is just a rationalization.
- lazide 11mo agoAnd yet, it’s how it is.
- whstl 11mo agoYes, people who judge others like this are anti-social assholes. Of course that's not as bad as people who try to rationalize bad behavior behind a veil of pseudo-intellectuality. Once again: rationalizations don't make something true.
- coldtea 11mo ago>Yes, people who judge others like this are anti-social assholes On the contrary, since many (if not most) people do it, they're on the social side. >Once again: rationalizations don't make something true When it comes to social truths, what most people do make them so. If most people think X bad, X is bad is a social truth. Doens't matter if you think X is "not bad in reality". Reality doesn't care about good or bad anyway, it doesn't have a morality.
- whstl 11mo agoNope. Actions that harm social bonds, judging that shames, excludes, or hurts is antisocial even if many people do it. Also this post has the classic logical error of assuming that because something is a certain way, it should be that way. > Reality doesn't care about good or bad Likewise: What you call "social truths" are real in that they shape behavior and consequences, but they’re conventions, not objective moral facts, and they can be unjust or oppressive.
- coldtea 11mo ago>judging that shames, excludes, or hurts is antisocial even if many people do it. That's a modern dellusion. Sociology (and common wisdom) tells us that judgment "that shames, excludes, or hurts" is necessary for the development of morality, social cohesion, and cooperation. Note: not any random judgment "that shames, excludes, or hurts" has this possitive role, but plenty of judgements that "shame, exclude, or hurt", meaning that judgement that "shames, excludes, or hurts" is a useful social tool.
- whstl 11mo agoAnd there is nothing positive or productive about the kind of judgement I'm talking about.
- lazide 11mo agoWhat kind are you talking about? Refusing to be an asshole to someone being an asshole just enables them being an asshole. Refusing to judge if someone is being an asshole, ensures that someone being an asshole will see no consequences for being an asshole.
- whstl 11mo agoI'm criticizing being an asshole to people who are not naturally the way society expects and had to work their way through. But to be fair I'm mostly criticizing useless HN post-hoc rationalization. > Refusing to be an asshole to someone being an asshole just enables them being an asshole. I have nothing to do with this. > Refusing to judge if someone is being an asshole, ensures that someone being an asshole will see no consequences for being an asshole. I also have nothing to do with this.
- lazide 11mo agoSays the person trying to rationalize away obviously common human behavior as not existing because it is bad? Or do you think anti-social assholes do not exist or are not common? Or that any system of identification of people should not attempt to understand them?
- coldtea 11mo ago>There is no "rule" in life that says that people have to be judgmental assholes to each other. Apparently there is, which is why this judgement you speak of happens. It just happens to be a social rule, and you don't like it, but it's a rule nonetheless. Doesn't have to be an official rule, agreed upon, and signed by each participant, or some physical law. Hence, the card game metaphor has some merit. Like people think you shouldn't cheat in a card game, many people also think you shouldn't cheat with cosmetic surgery.
- whstl 11mo agoI 100% disagree. It is a minority making the noise and turning everything into life as a game. Most people don't care, and I'm willing to bet that the ones rationalizing the behavior here don't go out of their way to care or talk about any of this.
- rithdmc 11mo agoBeing judgmental assholes to each other isn't a social rule. It's in no way the expectation of behavior.
- fruitworks 11mo agoCheating in whose game? We make our own luck.
- blueflow 11mo agoYou might not play it, but others do play the game and take it rather seriously.