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Everything before CoPilot was pretty standard CEO stuff. The real change was internally. Satya is well-known for eradicating the "Art of War" environment and br

Everything before CoPilot was pretty standard CEO stuff. The real change was internally. Satya is well-known for eradicating the "Art of War" environment and bringing workers together. He also fully embraced open-source (Balmer hated OSS) and R&D has continued to innovate. (Still boggles the mind that F# exists and is awesome) Prior to CoPilot, my only beef was that Azure needs a ground up re-architecture. They bolted products onto Active Directory which is ancient LDAP tech. It's a massive flaw in how Azure works and why it's 10x more complicated than AWS or GCP.

unboxingelf 11mo ago
It's a massive flaw in how Azure works and why it's 10x more complicated than AWS or GCP. Wait until you try OCI.
- ChicagoDave 11mo ago
  That's never going to happen. I'm more or less locked into AWS at this point, though for my personal stuff I'm using my linode server a lot. I thought Oracle Cloud was designed by AWS alum and was supposed to be solid?
pjmlp 11mo ago
Given the option, I always favour Azure over AWS or GCP. AWS is a complexity maze, whereas GCP seems Google only does the minimum and one can only talk to bots.
- dijit 11mo ago
  You can pay for professional services. In Sweden the only one I ever got support with was Google, so it’s not a universal experience (I didn’t pay for professional services). I believe you and I have had this discussion before.
  - pjmlp 11mo ago
    Yes, and I told you those professional services were nowhere to be found, while in AWS and Azure we actually got people on the phone, so do you want to have this discussion again?
    - dijit 11mo ago
      yeah. Because I have the opposite experience. So I think when either of us talk about it as if it’s universal we are both wrong. So every time you make a claim, I’ll be there. Your experience with Google, it’s mine with AWS.
      - pjmlp 11mo ago
        See you next time, until my GCP experience improves.
int_19h 11mo ago
It should be noted that while Satya opened the floodgates, it was already making inroads by then, just with a lot more paperwork. Some early examples of F/OSS predating Satya were ASP.NET MVC and PTVS. At the same time, the insistence from up top that all divisions have to be profitable on their own means that in practice there has been a steady ongoing scale-back from F/OSS for several years now. Just look at the situation in VSCode: sure, the base platform is still open, but increasingly many first-party extensions have their pieces replaced by closed source functionality - Python language server, C# debugger etc. Related to this are the attempts to block VSCode forks by using prohibitive licensing terms and even inserting runtime checks for the same.
- pjmlp 11mo ago
  It always feels that whatever good .NET team manages, it gets killed by upper management decisions, like VSCode should not eat into VS sales, thus plenty of tools will never have a VSCode version. Example, you cannot do graphical debugging of parallel code, use visualizers, or do profiling analysis in VSCode.
ezst 11mo ago
> They bolted products onto Active Directory which is ancient LDAP tech. It's a massive flaw in how Azure works and why it's 10x more complicated than AWS or GCP. I really don't see the problem with LDAP. If they make an overlay for it and it's needlessly complicated, that's just par for the course. Have you experienced SharePoint?
Lapel2742 11mo ago
> Everything before CoPilot was pretty standard CEO stuff. Sure it was. Just as OP wrote: > From a user's perspective, everything has gotten steadily worse under his reign.
raxxorraxor 11mo ago
Ancient LDAP is probably the best they still offer. A far superior way for internal auth and vastly superior for companies that need on premise infrastructure. Nobody wants internal apps that auth through AWS or GCP. I hate registering a shitty app and use their modern auth flow. No security gain for additional maintenance. For that matter, this is a main reason why Windows is so established. The logistic problem of distributing user accounts on several machines. And no, a virtual and slow cloud Windows is not an alternative for anyone that wants to be productive.
KoolKat23 11mo ago
Satya was definitely an improvement, a breath of fresh air. But the last few years, they've started dropping the ball. Everything is half-assed (new outlook), or releases too soon burning goodwill (new teams), or a miss being pushed on people (copilot integration). (strangely, perhaps my perception, this is roughly when the Mac M1 came out).
steve1977 11mo ago
> He also fully embraced open-source Embraced as in this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...
steve1977 11mo ago
I wish we still had ancient LDAP tech at work...

unboxingelf 11mo ago

It's a massive flaw in how Azure works and why it's 10x more complicated than AWS or GCP. Wait until you try OCI.

ChicagoDave 11mo ago
That's never going to happen. I'm more or less locked into AWS at this point, though for my personal stuff I'm using my linode server a lot. I thought Oracle Cloud was designed by AWS alum and was supposed to be solid?

pjmlp 11mo ago

Given the option, I always favour Azure over AWS or GCP. AWS is a complexity maze, whereas GCP seems Google only does the minimum and one can only talk to bots.

dijit 11mo ago
You can pay for professional services. In Sweden the only one I ever got support with was Google, so it’s not a universal experience (I didn’t pay for professional services). I believe you and I have had this discussion before.
- pjmlp 11mo ago
  Yes, and I told you those professional services were nowhere to be found, while in AWS and Azure we actually got people on the phone, so do you want to have this discussion again?
  - dijit 11mo ago
    yeah. Because I have the opposite experience. So I think when either of us talk about it as if it’s universal we are both wrong. So every time you make a claim, I’ll be there. Your experience with Google, it’s mine with AWS.
    - pjmlp 11mo ago
      See you next time, until my GCP experience improves.

int_19h 11mo ago

It should be noted that while Satya opened the floodgates, it was already making inroads by then, just with a lot more paperwork. Some early examples of F/OSS predating Satya were ASP.NET MVC and PTVS. At the same time, the insistence from up top that all divisions have to be profitable on their own means that in practice there has been a steady ongoing scale-back from F/OSS for several years now. Just look at the situation in VSCode: sure, the base platform is still open, but increasingly many first-party extensions have their pieces replaced by closed source functionality - Python language server, C# debugger etc. Related to this are the attempts to block VSCode forks by using prohibitive licensing terms and even inserting runtime checks for the same.

pjmlp 11mo ago
It always feels that whatever good .NET team manages, it gets killed by upper management decisions, like VSCode should not eat into VS sales, thus plenty of tools will never have a VSCode version. Example, you cannot do graphical debugging of parallel code, use visualizers, or do profiling analysis in VSCode.

ezst 11mo ago

> They bolted products onto Active Directory which is ancient LDAP tech. It's a massive flaw in how Azure works and why it's 10x more complicated than AWS or GCP. I really don't see the problem with LDAP. If they make an overlay for it and it's needlessly complicated, that's just par for the course. Have you experienced SharePoint?

Lapel2742 11mo ago

> Everything before CoPilot was pretty standard CEO stuff. Sure it was. Just as OP wrote: > From a user's perspective, everything has gotten steadily worse under his reign.

raxxorraxor 11mo ago

Ancient LDAP is probably the best they still offer. A far superior way for internal auth and vastly superior for companies that need on premise infrastructure. Nobody wants internal apps that auth through AWS or GCP. I hate registering a shitty app and use their modern auth flow. No security gain for additional maintenance. For that matter, this is a main reason why Windows is so established. The logistic problem of distributing user accounts on several machines. And no, a virtual and slow cloud Windows is not an alternative for anyone that wants to be productive.

KoolKat23 11mo ago

Satya was definitely an improvement, a breath of fresh air. But the last few years, they've started dropping the ball. Everything is half-assed (new outlook), or releases too soon burning goodwill (new teams), or a miss being pushed on people (copilot integration). (strangely, perhaps my perception, this is roughly when the Mac M1 came out).

steve1977 11mo ago

> He also fully embraced open-source Embraced as in this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

steve1977 11mo ago

I wish we still had ancient LDAP tech at work...