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Trump was with Epstein in 2017, he didn't cut ties at all

theultdev 11mo ago
That's a lie that has already been proven false since Trump's entire trip was documented. Love how we have actual evidence against people but discussions always devolve into some conspiracy related to Trump. ---- Based on the available evidence, there is no confirmed meeting between Trump and Epstein in 2017. While both men were in Palm Beach during Thanksgiving week 2017, there is no direct evidence they met. Here's what we know about their presence in Palm Beach that week: - Trump was at Mar-a-Lago from November 21-26, 2017 - Epstein owned a mansion in Palm Beach and was known to be in the area - Epstein mentioned both Trump and himself being "down there" (Palm Beach) in an email exchange on November 23, 2017 While there were claims circulating online that Trump spent Thanksgiving with Epstein in 2017, these claims have been thoroughly investigated and found to be unsubstantiated Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included: - Thanking military members on a virtual call - Visiting Coast Guard members at Lake Worth Inlet Station - Playing golf with Tiger Woods and Dustin Johnson
- culi 11mo ago
  Even if Trump cut off ties with Epstein in 2017, he should clearly be held accountable for his past actions. Here's 2 pretty damning emails: --- Epstein to Maxwell 2011-04-02 > i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump... [VICTIM] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75% there --- Epstein to Ruemmler 2018-08-23 > you see, i know how dirty donald is. my guess is that non lawyers ny biz people have no idea. what it means to have your fixer flip
  - theultdev 11mo ago
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    - pohl 11mo ago
      Could you explain how “no confirmed meeting” implies “they never met”?
      - theultdev 11mo ago
        You think he snuck out from secret service and had an off-the-book thanksgiving with a pedo? I'm saying there's no direct evidence he did and on face value it's ridiculous. He was meeting the troops and golfing with Tiger Woods and happened to be in the same state Epstein had a house in. Have any evidence otherwise, or just conspiracy theories?
        pohl 11mo ago
        With any other administration I would have granted you that leap in logic, but we already learned, three years ago, from Stephanie Grisham that he held off the books meetings specifically to circumvent record keeping laws. So I think a slightly higher standard of evidence is needed before we dismiss the possibility that he met with the pedo who likely had dirt on him.
        theultdev 11mo ago
        You have the standard of evidence reversed. You need to prove what you're accusing him of, not the other way around.
        pohl 11mo ago
        Sounds like you’re assuming that standards for charges/trial should also be used as standards for inquiry/investigation. That is not the case.
        theultdev 11mo ago
        By all means investigate away on the thanksgiving email, you will find nothing as nothing exists. Choosing resources to investigate hearsay that is easily disproven is a waste of time though when you have actual evidence of direct correspondence. Noone is falling for this crap anymore btw. The Trump smear stuff doesn't work as everyone cried wolf too many times. Very telling you spend this much energy on a silly email talking about Trump vs people who actually talked and met with Epstein.
  - gruez 11mo ago
    >Here's 2 pretty damning emails: The most "damning" emails are hearsay from other people?
  - rayiner 11mo ago
    What do those emails prove? Do you know who the reduction “[VICTIM]” is referring to? It’s Virginia Guiffre: https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-giuffre-trump-jeffrey-epstein/story?id=127468657 https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-giuffre-trump-jeffrey-eps.... What did Guiffre testify about Trump?
- phatfish 11mo ago
  Thanks ChatGPT.
  - theultdev 11mo ago
    This entire thread is about AI generated content from emails. But we are human, so we can verify sources collected by AI. Care to dispute anything?
- protocolture 11mo ago
  >Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included: Damn, Trump would have 100% listed his sex crimes on his official calendar. Case closed.
  - theultdev 11mo ago
    Yeah it's most likely he snuck out from the SS and had thanksgiving with a pedo while president. /s No reason to talk about anyone who actually corresponded with Epstein I guess.
    - protocolture 11mo ago
      Plenty of reason. Nab everyone. But deflecting criticism from the pedo in chief is a weird look.
    - throwaway290 11mo ago
      > he snuck out from the SS and had thanksgiving with a pedo we don't know he didn't... at best we can know what he did in daylight when journos were around. the rest we can find only if SS is subpoenaed

That's a lie that has already been proven false since Trump's entire trip was documented. Love how we have actual evidence against people but discussions always devolve into some conspiracy related to Trump. ---- Based on the available evidence, there is no confirmed meeting between Trump and Epstein in 2017. While both men were in Palm Beach during Thanksgiving week 2017, there is no direct evidence they met. Here's what we know about their presence in Palm Beach that week: - Trump was at Mar-a-Lago from November 21-26, 2017 - Epstein owned a mansion in Palm Beach and was known to be in the area - Epstein mentioned both Trump and himself being "down there" (Palm Beach) in an email exchange on November 23, 2017 While there were claims circulating online that Trump spent Thanksgiving with Epstein in 2017, these claims have been thoroughly investigated and found to be unsubstantiated Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included: - Thanking military members on a virtual call - Visiting Coast Guard members at Lake Worth Inlet Station - Playing golf with Tiger Woods and Dustin Johnson

culi 11mo ago
Even if Trump cut off ties with Epstein in 2017, he should clearly be held accountable for his past actions. Here's 2 pretty damning emails: --- Epstein to Maxwell 2011-04-02 > i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump... [VICTIM] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75% there --- Epstein to Ruemmler 2018-08-23 > you see, i know how dirty donald is. my guess is that non lawyers ny biz people have no idea. what it means to have your fixer flip
- theultdev 11mo ago
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  - pohl 11mo ago
    Could you explain how “no confirmed meeting” implies “they never met”?
    - theultdev 11mo ago
      You think he snuck out from secret service and had an off-the-book thanksgiving with a pedo? I'm saying there's no direct evidence he did and on face value it's ridiculous. He was meeting the troops and golfing with Tiger Woods and happened to be in the same state Epstein had a house in. Have any evidence otherwise, or just conspiracy theories?
      - pohl 11mo ago
        With any other administration I would have granted you that leap in logic, but we already learned, three years ago, from Stephanie Grisham that he held off the books meetings specifically to circumvent record keeping laws. So I think a slightly higher standard of evidence is needed before we dismiss the possibility that he met with the pedo who likely had dirt on him.
        theultdev 11mo ago
        You have the standard of evidence reversed. You need to prove what you're accusing him of, not the other way around.
        pohl 11mo ago
        Sounds like you’re assuming that standards for charges/trial should also be used as standards for inquiry/investigation. That is not the case.
        theultdev 11mo ago
        By all means investigate away on the thanksgiving email, you will find nothing as nothing exists. Choosing resources to investigate hearsay that is easily disproven is a waste of time though when you have actual evidence of direct correspondence. Noone is falling for this crap anymore btw. The Trump smear stuff doesn't work as everyone cried wolf too many times. Very telling you spend this much energy on a silly email talking about Trump vs people who actually talked and met with Epstein.
- gruez 11mo ago
  >Here's 2 pretty damning emails: The most "damning" emails are hearsay from other people?
- rayiner 11mo ago
  What do those emails prove? Do you know who the reduction “[VICTIM]” is referring to? It’s Virginia Guiffre: https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-giuffre-trump-jeffrey-epstein/story?id=127468657 https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-giuffre-trump-jeffrey-eps.... What did Guiffre testify about Trump?
phatfish 11mo ago
Thanks ChatGPT.
- theultdev 11mo ago
  This entire thread is about AI generated content from emails. But we are human, so we can verify sources collected by AI. Care to dispute anything?
protocolture 11mo ago
>Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included: Damn, Trump would have 100% listed his sex crimes on his official calendar. Case closed.
- theultdev 11mo ago
  Yeah it's most likely he snuck out from the SS and had thanksgiving with a pedo while president. /s No reason to talk about anyone who actually corresponded with Epstein I guess.
  - protocolture 11mo ago
    Plenty of reason. Nab everyone. But deflecting criticism from the pedo in chief is a weird look.
  - throwaway290 11mo ago
    > he snuck out from the SS and had thanksgiving with a pedo we don't know he didn't... at best we can know what he did in daylight when journos were around. the rest we can find only if SS is subpoenaed