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- leoc 1y agoxv6 the MIT 'spiritual port' (so to speak) of Version 6 Unix probably deserves to be mentioned there as well, as while it's not actually a historic Bell Labs Unix it will better meet some people's needs. https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2012/xv6.html https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2012/xv6.html https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2025/xv6.html https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2025/xv6.html
- accrual 1y agoGood mention! If one wants to study Unix in an academic sense then xv6 is a great starting point. IIRC, many course studies start with xv6 and gradually adding new capabilities to it.
- zvmaz 1y agoVideos that go through the xv6 source code: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbtzT1TYeoMhTPzyTZboW_j7TPAnjv9XB https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbtzT1TYeoMhTPzyTZboW...
- retrac 1y agoRobert Nordier's port of v7 to x86 probably didn't get the attention it deserves. It's what it sounds like: v7 Unix ported to x86. Unix v7 was portable enough and the PDP-11 architecturally similar enough to x86 that almost all the code works without change. (Many of the changes from v6 to v7 were to make Unix more portable; it was already running on at least 4 different architectures by 1980.) I wonder if the obscurity is because the x86 v7 source was an archive inside an archive? Seems a minor thing but not having it to browse online is likely to be an off-ramp for most. https://www.nordier.com/v7x86/v7x86-0.8a-all.tar.xz https://www.nordier.com/v7x86/v7x86-0.8a-all.tar.xz has releases/v7x86-0.8a.tar.bz2 (you'll want to use a -C prefix it explodes in the current directory). Source is in usr/sys and usr/src like normal for v7 Unix. And yes, your modern Linux system's GNU tar is reading the ancient v7 tar format just fine. Neat, eh? You might find the modern "file" command can still recognize the v7 a.out binary format too: $ file usr/bin/compress usr/bin/compress: a.out little-endian 32-bit executable not stripped Unix version 7 remains a sort of lowest common denominator almost half a century later.
- snovymgodym 1y agoWasn't Xenix just Unix V7 ported to x86? (Albeit originally 16-bit x86)
- hn_acc1 1y agoAt work at the time (I was an intern), in 1993, we ran SCO Unix on a 25 MHz 386sx with 8 MB and another 6 MB on an add-in card on the ISA bus. And while the compilation with Motif was a bear (1 hour for a 1 MB executable), the actual app was reasonably snappy. I can't imagine how FAST that system would feel with modern hardware.
- ForOldHack 1y agoTo quote Scotty: "we going nowhere mighty fast." Motif? What version of SCO UNIX?
- WesolyKubeczek 1y ago1 MB executable was huuuge in those times, wasn't it?
- lproven 1y agoInconceivable! My eval box for my work Xenix deployments was an 80286: an IBM PC-AT with 512 kB of RAM. Everything worked.
- lproven 1y ago> SCO Unix on a 25 MHz 386sx with 8 MB and another 6 MB on an add-in card OK, SCO Xenix not SCO Unix, but I deployed production Xenix boxes with 4MB of RAM on 80386DX processors. It ran well and supported 4-6 users no problem. As I recall, one customer had 8 users and they needed a RAM upgrade. I think, dimly now as this wasn't my department, it was eye-wateringly expensive. Something in the region of £5,000 to £6,000 (at the time, $10K+). We did deploy one box with just 2 MB of RAM, but that didn't work well once a few users on terminals logged in. They had to upgrade the RAM. FWIW these were 32-bit 386 machines, but with no CPU cache – the lower-end IBM PS/2 Model 80 variants of the time, with 16 MHz and 20 MHz CPUs. (The top-end 25MHz Model 70 had a small SRAM cache for the CPU. It cost over £10,000 with no screen, keyboard or mouse, and my Acorn Archimedes A310, which cost me £800, absolutely smoked it: it was about 4x as fast.) That's when I knew Arm would eventually eat x86: in 1989. It's finally happening now. But I was running PC DOS and DOS software in a window on my ARM desktop in 1989, in pure software emulation, and it was sluggish but usable. CPU was equivalent to a 2-2.5 MHz 8086, but disk performance was better than a screaming fast SCSI disk, so it balanced out.
- cortesoft 1y agoIs 'ancient UNIX' a term of art, or should I be offended?
- LukeShu 1y agoWhile exact definitions vary, it's a term of art for Research Unix ≤ V7, perhaps plus or minus a version, perhaps including contemporary derivatives.
- cryptonector 1y agoRelatively speaking, any operating system from the 70s is "ancient".
- pjmlp 1y agoWhat about from the 60s? Archaic? https://www.unisys.com/product-info-sheet/ecs/clearpath-master-control-program-mcp https://www.unisys.com/product-info-sheet/ecs/clearpath-mast...
- blankx32 1y agosimh deserves the credit here
- anthk 1y agoSimh can still run modern NetBSD under Vax. Go figure.
- actionfromafar 1y agoI can't pick up the caper (due to the customary backlog of insane projects), but IMHO someone™ should port RetroBSD¹ to more microcontrollers. There's even a C compiler² running on device! There's a UNIX shape void in the embedded world. Todays microcontrollers routinely come with several megabytes of RAM. 1: https://github.com/RetroBSD/retrobsd https://github.com/RetroBSD/retrobsd 2: https://github.com/RetroBSD/retrobsd/tree/master/src/cmd/smallc https://github.com/RetroBSD/retrobsd/tree/master/src/cmd/sma...
- blippage 1y agoThere's also Fuzix, which is Unix-like. https://fuzix.org/ https://fuzix.org/ Supports Arm M0 (Raspberry Pi Pico), ESP32 and a variety of others, including Z80.