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Allow people to build more housing. It's simple. These rules will help current renters at the expense of future Los Angelenos, make building more housing less d

by ChrisLTD 11mo ago

Allow people to build more housing. It's simple. These rules will help current renters at the expense of future Los Angelenos, make building more housing less desirable for developers, and will let local politicians pretend they solved the issue while actually doing the exact opposite.

mchusma 11mo ago
And this exact play has been run so many times, with the same bad results every single time. My only "hope" would be they would pair this limit with such aggressive housing increases that the overall practical effect of this is mitigated.
rayiner 11mo ago
Most people have no number sense. E.g. the Brian Williams on-air segment where he (and apparently his presumably college-educated staff) thought a $500 million campaign investment by Bloomberg meant he could give every American $1 million. That's not just a simple math error--it's a fundamental lack of numerical intuition about society-scale numbers. Prices are even more complex--a dynamic equilibrium between supply and demand. You can't get people to understand that. You might as well expect them to do jumping jacks while standing on their hands. You can't lecture people about supply and demand. What you need is an electorate that has correctly aligned gut feelings. You need to socialize people from birth to understand that "if you build more, you'll get more; if you build less, you'll get less." You know how your dad says "there's no such thing as a free lunch?" You need to socialize people at that level.
maldev 11mo ago
Mostly nobody is against building more housing. The big issues, especially in California, are the Water supply issues. The cities largely run at capacity and the water system can't really handle the increased load. Then you have traffic and other safety concerns like electricity. It's not as simple as building more houses, it's a long road of improving infrastructure. I used to date a housing advocate who attended city hall hearings for a non profit, and no one objected, it would always get to close to being approved, then the water guy comes in and they can't do it.
- mgh95 11mo ago
  Roughly 80% of developed water use in SoCal is agriculture. Population is a secondary concern when it comes to water use in the area. Severance of riparian rights through eminent domain is looking increasingly appealing.
- avmich 11mo ago
  Do we have specific numbers how much water costs and why? In a new place?
- ChrisLTD 11mo ago
  Most people are for more housing somewhere else or with so many caveats that they are effectively against it.

mchusma 11mo ago

And this exact play has been run so many times, with the same bad results every single time. My only "hope" would be they would pair this limit with such aggressive housing increases that the overall practical effect of this is mitigated.

rayiner 11mo ago

Most people have no number sense. E.g. the Brian Williams on-air segment where he (and apparently his presumably college-educated staff) thought a $500 million campaign investment by Bloomberg meant he could give every American $1 million. That's not just a simple math error--it's a fundamental lack of numerical intuition about society-scale numbers. Prices are even more complex--a dynamic equilibrium between supply and demand. You can't get people to understand that. You might as well expect them to do jumping jacks while standing on their hands. You can't lecture people about supply and demand. What you need is an electorate that has correctly aligned gut feelings. You need to socialize people from birth to understand that "if you build more, you'll get more; if you build less, you'll get less." You know how your dad says "there's no such thing as a free lunch?" You need to socialize people at that level.

maldev 11mo ago

Mostly nobody is against building more housing. The big issues, especially in California, are the Water supply issues. The cities largely run at capacity and the water system can't really handle the increased load. Then you have traffic and other safety concerns like electricity. It's not as simple as building more houses, it's a long road of improving infrastructure. I used to date a housing advocate who attended city hall hearings for a non profit, and no one objected, it would always get to close to being approved, then the water guy comes in and they can't do it.

mgh95 11mo ago
Roughly 80% of developed water use in SoCal is agriculture. Population is a secondary concern when it comes to water use in the area. Severance of riparian rights through eminent domain is looking increasingly appealing.
avmich 11mo ago
Do we have specific numbers how much water costs and why? In a new place?
ChrisLTD 11mo ago
Most people are for more housing somewhere else or with so many caveats that they are effectively against it.