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> Under the new rules, Los Angeles landlords whose buildings are covered by the city’s rent stabilization laws — about three-quarters of the market — will be al

> Under the new rules, Los Angeles landlords whose buildings are covered by the city’s rent stabilization laws — about three-quarters of the market — will be allowed to increase rents by between just 1% and 4% each year, depending on inflation. Currently, landlords are allowed to increase rent between 3% and 8% annually. Isn’t this just going to pass costs from existing tenants to future tenants who will be given much higher up-front rents? > Additionally, the study showed that landlord expenses were increasing, in large part because of rising insurance costs and the need to make repairs and upgrades. With few exceptions, the most recent rent stabilized properties are nearly 50 years old and half of them were constructed before 1950. > Citing a need for landlords to invest in their buildings, the city housing department recommended to the council that it change the limits on rent increases to a maximum 5% annual jump with a floor of 2%, depending on inflation. There is going to be a lot of deferred repair work. I wonder how many of these will turn into safety issues. What happens if a landlord cannot economically repair some issue they’re required to fix? If they’re caught between rent increase caps and regulations requiring fixes, do they just risk having their property seized? > But councilmembers whittled down those numbers last week in its Housing and Homelessness Committee, which Raman chairs. Her committee pushed forward a more aggressive plan that would have banned increases altogether if inflation was low enough and capped the hikes at no more than 3%. To me, it’s insane to even consider banning rent increases altogether. I am surprised this was seriously discussed.

PaulHoule 1y ago
The popularity of rent control shocks me a bit. Even left leaning economists like Galbraith and Krugman think it is a bad idea, but it's hard to convince the public of it. I don't know to what extents markets are broken down or that people don't believe in them. Maybe people don't think it matters if people want to build new housing because NIMBYs won't let them anyway. I think people don't believe that building new housing lowers prices because so often when a new development is built you see big billboard and newspaper ads with an eye-popping price that you can't ignore. Maybe you are a landlord and you're renting a place out for $800 a month and you see something not much better at $2200 a month and think "Maybe I'd better raise the rent".
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  It's straightforward imho. Rent controls help people today, where they rent and live today. Supply cannot grow fast enough, nor forever, to keep prices within an affordable band in some situations. Does this mean newcomers will not get rent control benefits? Yes, but they are not stakeholders today; the people who live there today are. Otherwise, landlords can perpetually raise rents faster than wage growth, or even worse, what those on fixed incomes can afford. Broadly speaking, there is no right to profit, and I'm confident you can find a majority who would support affordable housing as a right in most major urban areas. With immigration inflows slowing, this should alleviate housing demand in some areas, taking pressure off some markets. It's also helpful that there was regulatory action against algorithm driven price collusion and rent increases such as RealPage. > I don't know to what extents markets are broken down or that people don't believe in them. Perhaps enough that both NYC and Seattle have recently elected Democratic Socialists as mayors, and Los Angeles is restricting rent increases. "A recent survey by the Cato Institute and YouGov paints a troubling picture: 62 percent of Americans aged 18–29 say they hold a “favorable view” of socialism, and 34 percent say the same of communism." Citations: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-17/international-student-enrollment-plunges-after-president-trump-s-visa-overhaul https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-17/internati... | https://archive.today/GmuD8 https://archive.today/GmuD8 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findings-about-us-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findi... https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findings-about-us-immigrants/sr_25-08-21_immigrants-in-the-us_6/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findi... https://www.bloomberg.com/features/how-immigration-affects-us-economy/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/how-immigration-affects-u... | https://archive.today/bHGiG https://archive.today/bHGiG https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-19/immigration-fuels-fastest-us-population-growth-in-two-decades https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-19/immigrati... | https://archive.today/b5sI8 https://archive.today/b5sI8 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=realpage&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... https://www.cato.org/blog/81-say-they-cant-afford-pay-higher-taxes-next-year https://www.cato.org/blog/81-say-they-cant-afford-pay-higher...
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techblueberry 1y ago
> To me, it’s insane to even consider banning rent increases altogether. I am surprised this was seriously discussed. My guess is if you look at the incentives of the people making the decisions, it’s completely rational. Maybe we as a society should change the incentives.
nosianu 1y ago
> To me, it’s insane to even consider banning rent increases altogether. I am surprised this was seriously discussed. * For one: People who vote for this may very well agree with you, but as always, even when you see that something would be good overall you yourself may be forced into contradicting behavior. Examples for this are all over. You may know that lining up on an exit is best overall, but with everybody charging you will be forced to join the herd. You may know and agree that ricing prices (rents) should lead to more construction, but if you decide only based on your own situation, your choice is volunteering to pay more when you could vote the opposite and have an advantage. I think it is unwise to blame people, our entire system is based on, and forces people into selfish behavior even when they know it. * But also: The idea that higher prices (rents) should lead to more construction is based on the premise that there is a functioning market based mostly on price alone. But for housing that is usually far from the truth, and rising prices may not lead to significantly more construction at all. Instead, higher prices may just be absorbed by various parties (not necessarily the house owners alone). Land ownership has rarely been much of a free market, especially not in places that are popular (can make a land owner lots of money). In this case, letting the prices fluctuate just means more pain for renters without the gain (of more construction and then lower rents).
- mrguyorama 1y ago
  >The idea that higher prices (rents) should lead to more construction is based on the premise that there is a functioning market based mostly on price alone. It's also just very very wrong in most places. The "development" companies in my area already own all the housing stock. Why would they spend any money on new builds when they can reliably keep ticking the rent cost up 7% YoY forever? It doesn't matter how high demand gets, nobody else can build because if you try to invest in a new development, they can just temporarily drop rents and wipe out any ROI you might have hoped for and ensure you fail and then buy up your property. Like, this stuff is literally how city real estate has always worked. Instead, rent stabilization ensures that they can't dump the market like that to kill new entrants, so it encourages people to invest in building. Meanwhile, people like my dad who are also technically "builders" are busy serving the far far far more profitable "We moved here with a billion dollars from SV and have no idea how money works so we don't notice your 100% profit margin" market, and no average people can ever compete with that. Builders want to make the highest profit they can, and that does not come from commodity housing in the city. It comes from catering and pandering to rich 2nd gen assholes who think they are gods gift to the world and can't tell the difference between quality and expensive. These people will continue to insist the free market would fix this and blame city regulations and zoning that they don't even know, because at no point have they even pretended or thought about building housing for the city. There's not enough profit in it.
yks 1y ago
I am surprised that rent increases aren't banned everywhere, and that things like Prop 13 haven't been voted in elsewhere outside of California. Because the fundamental proposition of "I reap handsome benefits, but some unnamed future newcomers to my country/state/city will have it tough" appears to be quite irresistible.
- naIak 1y ago
  Use Google to find what happens when the government introduces price controls.
- jerlam 1y ago
  Other states don't have California's direct democracy proposition process that allows any bill to get a vote, provided you have enough signatures. There are some terrible laws that get on the ballot in California, and some get passed. California at this time also had a famously conservative governor (Reagan) who would be in support of the proposition. Governments aren't usually in favor of passing laws that would slash its own budget and lead to massive cuts in jobs and services.

PaulHoule 1y ago

The popularity of rent control shocks me a bit. Even left leaning economists like Galbraith and Krugman think it is a bad idea, but it's hard to convince the public of it. I don't know to what extents markets are broken down or that people don't believe in them. Maybe people don't think it matters if people want to build new housing because NIMBYs won't let them anyway. I think people don't believe that building new housing lowers prices because so often when a new development is built you see big billboard and newspaper ads with an eye-popping price that you can't ignore. Maybe you are a landlord and you're renting a place out for $800 a month and you see something not much better at $2200 a month and think "Maybe I'd better raise the rent".

toomuchtodo 1y ago
It's straightforward imho. Rent controls help people today, where they rent and live today. Supply cannot grow fast enough, nor forever, to keep prices within an affordable band in some situations. Does this mean newcomers will not get rent control benefits? Yes, but they are not stakeholders today; the people who live there today are. Otherwise, landlords can perpetually raise rents faster than wage growth, or even worse, what those on fixed incomes can afford. Broadly speaking, there is no right to profit, and I'm confident you can find a majority who would support affordable housing as a right in most major urban areas. With immigration inflows slowing, this should alleviate housing demand in some areas, taking pressure off some markets. It's also helpful that there was regulatory action against algorithm driven price collusion and rent increases such as RealPage. > I don't know to what extents markets are broken down or that people don't believe in them. Perhaps enough that both NYC and Seattle have recently elected Democratic Socialists as mayors, and Los Angeles is restricting rent increases. "A recent survey by the Cato Institute and YouGov paints a troubling picture: 62 percent of Americans aged 18–29 say they hold a “favorable view” of socialism, and 34 percent say the same of communism." Citations: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-17/international-student-enrollment-plunges-after-president-trump-s-visa-overhaul https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-17/internati... | https://archive.today/GmuD8 https://archive.today/GmuD8 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findings-about-us-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findi... https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findings-about-us-immigrants/sr_25-08-21_immigrants-in-the-us_6/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findi... https://www.bloomberg.com/features/how-immigration-affects-us-economy/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/how-immigration-affects-u... | https://archive.today/bHGiG https://archive.today/bHGiG https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-19/immigration-fuels-fastest-us-population-growth-in-two-decades https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-19/immigrati... | https://archive.today/b5sI8 https://archive.today/b5sI8 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=realpage&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... https://www.cato.org/blog/81-say-they-cant-afford-pay-higher-taxes-next-year https://www.cato.org/blog/81-say-they-cant-afford-pay-higher...
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techblueberry 1y ago

> To me, it’s insane to even consider banning rent increases altogether. I am surprised this was seriously discussed. My guess is if you look at the incentives of the people making the decisions, it’s completely rational. Maybe we as a society should change the incentives.

nosianu 1y ago

> To me, it’s insane to even consider banning rent increases altogether. I am surprised this was seriously discussed. * For one: People who vote for this may very well agree with you, but as always, even when you see that something would be good overall you yourself may be forced into contradicting behavior. Examples for this are all over. You may know that lining up on an exit is best overall, but with everybody charging you will be forced to join the herd. You may know and agree that ricing prices (rents) should lead to more construction, but if you decide only based on your own situation, your choice is volunteering to pay more when you could vote the opposite and have an advantage. I think it is unwise to blame people, our entire system is based on, and forces people into selfish behavior even when they know it. * But also: The idea that higher prices (rents) should lead to more construction is based on the premise that there is a functioning market based mostly on price alone. But for housing that is usually far from the truth, and rising prices may not lead to significantly more construction at all. Instead, higher prices may just be absorbed by various parties (not necessarily the house owners alone). Land ownership has rarely been much of a free market, especially not in places that are popular (can make a land owner lots of money). In this case, letting the prices fluctuate just means more pain for renters without the gain (of more construction and then lower rents).

mrguyorama 1y ago
>The idea that higher prices (rents) should lead to more construction is based on the premise that there is a functioning market based mostly on price alone. It's also just very very wrong in most places. The "development" companies in my area already own all the housing stock. Why would they spend any money on new builds when they can reliably keep ticking the rent cost up 7% YoY forever? It doesn't matter how high demand gets, nobody else can build because if you try to invest in a new development, they can just temporarily drop rents and wipe out any ROI you might have hoped for and ensure you fail and then buy up your property. Like, this stuff is literally how city real estate has always worked. Instead, rent stabilization ensures that they can't dump the market like that to kill new entrants, so it encourages people to invest in building. Meanwhile, people like my dad who are also technically "builders" are busy serving the far far far more profitable "We moved here with a billion dollars from SV and have no idea how money works so we don't notice your 100% profit margin" market, and no average people can ever compete with that. Builders want to make the highest profit they can, and that does not come from commodity housing in the city. It comes from catering and pandering to rich 2nd gen assholes who think they are gods gift to the world and can't tell the difference between quality and expensive. These people will continue to insist the free market would fix this and blame city regulations and zoning that they don't even know, because at no point have they even pretended or thought about building housing for the city. There's not enough profit in it.

yks 1y ago

I am surprised that rent increases aren't banned everywhere, and that things like Prop 13 haven't been voted in elsewhere outside of California. Because the fundamental proposition of "I reap handsome benefits, but some unnamed future newcomers to my country/state/city will have it tough" appears to be quite irresistible.

naIak 1y ago
Use Google to find what happens when the government introduces price controls.
jerlam 1y ago
Other states don't have California's direct democracy proposition process that allows any bill to get a vote, provided you have enough signatures. There are some terrible laws that get on the ballot in California, and some get passed. California at this time also had a famously conservative governor (Reagan) who would be in support of the proposition. Governments aren't usually in favor of passing laws that would slash its own budget and lead to massive cuts in jobs and services.