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> giving money directly to people in extreme poverty, with very low overheads. The evidence that that improves people's lives is very very strong When you see

> giving money directly to people in extreme poverty, with very low overheads. The evidence that that improves people's lives is very very strong When you see the return on money spent this way other forms of aid start looking like gatekeeping and rent-seeking.

weepinbell 11mo ago
GiveWell actually benchmarks their charity recommendations against direct cash transfers and will generally only recommend charities whose benefits are Nx cash for some N that I don't remember off the top of my head. I buy that lots of charities aren't effective, but some are! That said I also think that longer term research and investment in things like infrastructure matters too and can't easily be measured as an RCT. GiveWell style giving is great and it's awesome that the evidence is so strong (and it's most of my charitable giving), but that doesn't mean other charities with less easily researched goals are bad necessarily.
- zozbot234 11mo ago
  The Open Philanthropy Project is one major actor in EA that focuses mostly on "less easily researched goals" and riskier giving (but potentially higher-impact on average) than GiveWell.
rincebrain 11mo ago
Eventually, almost any organization distorts from its nominal goal to self-perpetuation. As the numbers get larger, it becomes easier and easier to suggest that the organization's continued existence is still a net positive as you waste more and more on the organization bloating. It's also surprisingly hard to avoid - consider how the ACA required that 85% of premiums go to care, and how that meant that the incentives became for the prices to become enormous.
- potato3732842 11mo ago
  >consider how the ACA required that 85% of premiums go to care, and how that meant that the incentives became for the prices to become enormous. To be fair, that particular example was obvious from day 1.
  - rincebrain 11mo ago
    Sure, it wasn't a surprise how the incentives for that would work out. But it's an excellent example of how something you could see some naive people in good faith claiming is a good thing can be pathologized.

weepinbell 11mo ago

GiveWell actually benchmarks their charity recommendations against direct cash transfers and will generally only recommend charities whose benefits are Nx cash for some N that I don't remember off the top of my head. I buy that lots of charities aren't effective, but some are! That said I also think that longer term research and investment in things like infrastructure matters too and can't easily be measured as an RCT. GiveWell style giving is great and it's awesome that the evidence is so strong (and it's most of my charitable giving), but that doesn't mean other charities with less easily researched goals are bad necessarily.

zozbot234 11mo ago
The Open Philanthropy Project is one major actor in EA that focuses mostly on "less easily researched goals" and riskier giving (but potentially higher-impact on average) than GiveWell.

rincebrain 11mo ago

Eventually, almost any organization distorts from its nominal goal to self-perpetuation. As the numbers get larger, it becomes easier and easier to suggest that the organization's continued existence is still a net positive as you waste more and more on the organization bloating. It's also surprisingly hard to avoid - consider how the ACA required that 85% of premiums go to care, and how that meant that the incentives became for the prices to become enormous.

potato3732842 11mo ago
>consider how the ACA required that 85% of premiums go to care, and how that meant that the incentives became for the prices to become enormous. To be fair, that particular example was obvious from day 1.
- rincebrain 11mo ago
  Sure, it wasn't a surprise how the incentives for that would work out. But it's an excellent example of how something you could see some naive people in good faith claiming is a good thing can be pathologized.