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This phrasing surprised me, too. Bandera certainly has a mixed legacy. The truth of the matter is that Stalin's brutality and evil was so bad that he forced wes
by TurkishPoptart 11mo ago
This phrasing surprised me, too. Bandera certainly has a mixed legacy. The truth of the matter is that Stalin's brutality and evil was so bad that he forced western Ukrainian nationalists to collaborate with Nazi Germany (which of course was also brutal and evil, but also offered a semblance of hope for Ukrainians, like other ethnic minorities and partisans who were placed against gargantuan rocks and hard places during the height of the horrors of the 20th century, and perhaps world history).
- consumer451 11mo agoHello, old-ish person born and living in Poland here. [0] I would just like to add some color to this topic. I know that Ukraine has a complicated history with our country. I also believe that Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe. Oddly enough, nothing better states my feelings than this Russian language music video, by a group who is now banned in Russia. IC3PEAK nailed it, and risked their lives in doing so. Please take less than three minutes to watch it with subs on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [1] Previous discussion, possibly the most upvoted music video on this website: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113
- drysine 11mo ago>Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe But somehow their heroes wear Nazi's symbols[0]. [0] https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukraine-au-sein-de-la-3e-brigade-d-assaut-ukrainienne-des-centaines-de-soldats-arborent-toujours-des-symboles-neonazis_6614140_1669088.html https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukr...
- maximinus_thrax 11mo agoYou guys are the experts on this [1][2][3][4][5][6][7], so please educate us how it's possible. It's very well known fact that Russia was always friendly with the nazis. It all started with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac.... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian_Nationalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian... [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group
- drysine 11mo ago>The truth of the matter is that Stalin's brutality and evil was so bad that he forced western Ukrainian nationalists to collaborate with Nazi Germany Yeah, right. The truth. Is it Stalin who forced Ukrainian nationalists to genocide Poles, Jews and also Armenians, Russians, Czechs and Georgians? [0] Looks like the genocidal ideology of Ukrainian nationalists aligned very well with genocidal ideology of German Nazis. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...
- maximinus_thrax 11mo agoAnd yet, Stalin was the one who actually did do a genocide in Ukraine. He also did one at home, but the Putinesque approach to history is to ignore all of that.