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The best bullshit always has a little bit of truth mixed in. Still not a justification for invading, and still just a cover for his, and Russia's overall, imper

The best bullshit always has a little bit of truth mixed in. Still not a justification for invading, and still just a cover for his, and Russia's overall, imperialistic ambition.

udumblol 1y ago
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- afavour 1y ago
  You don't think it's important to factor in what the Ukrainian citizens themselves want?
  - udumblol 1y ago
    I know of Ukrainian anarchists who were fighting but then became very disillusioned with how the war was going and left. I’ve met plenty of young Ukrainians who also left because they didn’t want to die. If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war why are so many paying bribes so that they don’t have to go fight? Why do they pay bribes so that they don’t get sent on suicide missions. I assume that the average person just wants to live their life in peace. If war got the popular vote there would be no more or far fewer wars. I hate all these power hungry psychos like Victoria Neuland and Putin who helped manufacture this civil war just so that they could get a little cut of the bounty. How people still believe capitalists states work in their interest is beyond me. Hunter Biden was earning 100x what the average Ukrainian earned in consulting fees in Ukraine. The whole point of the Ukrainian state since the collapse of the the USSR has been to shovel money from the state into the hands of which ever elite currently controlled the country it’s irrelevant whether they were backed by the west or Russia.
    - andrewflnr 1y ago
      > because they didn’t want to die Kinda answered your own question there. Idealism only takes most people so far.
      - udumblol 1y ago
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    - inglor_cz 1y ago
      "I know of Ukrainian anarchists" Anarchists are a very tiny minority everywhere. It does not make sense to judge the entire country by them. "If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war" They don't, but neither do all Russians. Moscow is trying really hard to avoid general mobilization.
      - udumblol 1y ago
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- TurkishPoptart 1y ago
  Your account was created half an hour ago with negative karma. Russian bot?
  - youhatetheleft 1y ago
    Yeah hilarious how leftwing content is shut down on this website. I don’t care if you believe what I’m saying maybe just take note on how what I’m saying is censored by people with power.
    - BobaFloutist 1y ago
      It's incredible that Russia has managed to associate itself with the western left so easily, just by dint of "We're not America" and "Lol remember the Soviet Union? Wasn't that wild?" Frankly I think the actually association is probably shallower than anonymous internet self-proclaimed leftists would have you think, but it's still impressive how powerful it appears.

The best bullshit always has a little bit of truth mixed in. Still not a justification for invading, and still just a cover for his, and Russia's overall, imperialistic ambition.

udumblol 1y ago

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afavour 1y ago
You don't think it's important to factor in what the Ukrainian citizens themselves want?
- udumblol 1y ago
  I know of Ukrainian anarchists who were fighting but then became very disillusioned with how the war was going and left. I’ve met plenty of young Ukrainians who also left because they didn’t want to die. If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war why are so many paying bribes so that they don’t have to go fight? Why do they pay bribes so that they don’t get sent on suicide missions. I assume that the average person just wants to live their life in peace. If war got the popular vote there would be no more or far fewer wars. I hate all these power hungry psychos like Victoria Neuland and Putin who helped manufacture this civil war just so that they could get a little cut of the bounty. How people still believe capitalists states work in their interest is beyond me. Hunter Biden was earning 100x what the average Ukrainian earned in consulting fees in Ukraine. The whole point of the Ukrainian state since the collapse of the the USSR has been to shovel money from the state into the hands of which ever elite currently controlled the country it’s irrelevant whether they were backed by the west or Russia.
  - andrewflnr 1y ago
    > because they didn’t want to die Kinda answered your own question there. Idealism only takes most people so far.
    - udumblol 1y ago
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  - inglor_cz 1y ago
    "I know of Ukrainian anarchists" Anarchists are a very tiny minority everywhere. It does not make sense to judge the entire country by them. "If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war" They don't, but neither do all Russians. Moscow is trying really hard to avoid general mobilization.
    - udumblol 1y ago
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TurkishPoptart 1y ago
Your account was created half an hour ago with negative karma. Russian bot?
- youhatetheleft 1y ago
  Yeah hilarious how leftwing content is shut down on this website. I don’t care if you believe what I’m saying maybe just take note on how what I’m saying is censored by people with power.
  - BobaFloutist 1y ago
    It's incredible that Russia has managed to associate itself with the western left so easily, just by dint of "We're not America" and "Lol remember the Soviet Union? Wasn't that wild?" Frankly I think the actually association is probably shallower than anonymous internet self-proclaimed leftists would have you think, but it's still impressive how powerful it appears.