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That is a great ancedote. Not saying it is untrue, but it is definitely true that Coinbase has never lost customer funds while operating in an environment with

by bhawks 11mo ago

That is a great ancedote. Not saying it is untrue, but it is definitely true that Coinbase has never lost customer funds while operating in an environment with 0 safety nets and being one of the most lucrative targets. This leak over customer data suggests that they should treat that with as much obsession as they do with their private keys.

arcticbull 11mo ago
That's not actually true, back in the day Coinbase used Bitfinex. They were using them when Bitfinex got all that BTC stolen. Technically everyone, including Coinbase, lost assets in that hack. They were large and scary enough at the time to force Bitfinex to keep them whole instead of applying the 36% haircut, but I'd argue that amounts to recovery rather than failure to lose in the first place. [1, 2] [1] https://www.kalzumeus.com/2019/10/28/tether-and-bitfinex https://www.kalzumeus.com/2019/10/28/tether-and-bitfinex [2] https://x.com/nathanielpopper/status/933130228175552513 https://x.com/nathanielpopper/status/933130228175552513
- bhawks 11mo ago
  That's a pretty big stretch of definitions. Whatever operations Coinbase had with Bitfinex were either to support market making activity or as a service for Coinbase's institutional customers to directly access bitfinex via their platform. As I said, they have never lost customer funds in their custody.
  - arcticbull 11mo ago
    > Whatever operations Coinbase had with Bitfinex were either to support market making activity or as a service for Coinbase's institutional customers to directly access bitfinex via their platform. How do you know?
    - bhawks 11mo ago
      Coinbase didn't halt trading or withdrawals during the Bitfinex hack. Somehow I think Nathaniel Popper would have been able to put that fact directly in his NYT article instead of a throw away tweet if there was a material impact. Heck he wasted a paragraph quoting one of Coinbase's board of directors on the risks of unregulated exchanges like bitfinex versus Coinbase.
chaps 11mo ago
Your post reads like something a lawyer would write to convey something that while (maybe) technically true, misses the point by a hundred miles.
- bhawks 11mo ago
  Yeah you're right, Coinbase is definitely insecure as evidenced by this. The fact that lax security has never caused them to loose billions of dollars of customer funds is just luck and paper covering passwords on a whiteboard.
  - chaps 11mo ago
    Yeah. Lots of stuff exposed stuff out there can stay exposed for quite a long time without being targeted or noticed. I've found quite a bunch and usually all it takes is... looking. Just one of those weird things about the modern world.

by bhawks 11mo ago

arcticbull 11mo ago

That's not actually true, back in the day Coinbase used Bitfinex. They were using them when Bitfinex got all that BTC stolen. Technically everyone, including Coinbase, lost assets in that hack. They were large and scary enough at the time to force Bitfinex to keep them whole instead of applying the 36% haircut, but I'd argue that amounts to recovery rather than failure to lose in the first place. [1, 2] [1] https://www.kalzumeus.com/2019/10/28/tether-and-bitfinex https://www.kalzumeus.com/2019/10/28/tether-and-bitfinex [2] https://x.com/nathanielpopper/status/933130228175552513 https://x.com/nathanielpopper/status/933130228175552513

bhawks 11mo ago
That's a pretty big stretch of definitions. Whatever operations Coinbase had with Bitfinex were either to support market making activity or as a service for Coinbase's institutional customers to directly access bitfinex via their platform. As I said, they have never lost customer funds in their custody.
- arcticbull 11mo ago
  > Whatever operations Coinbase had with Bitfinex were either to support market making activity or as a service for Coinbase's institutional customers to directly access bitfinex via their platform. How do you know?
  - bhawks 11mo ago
    Coinbase didn't halt trading or withdrawals during the Bitfinex hack. Somehow I think Nathaniel Popper would have been able to put that fact directly in his NYT article instead of a throw away tweet if there was a material impact. Heck he wasted a paragraph quoting one of Coinbase's board of directors on the risks of unregulated exchanges like bitfinex versus Coinbase.

chaps 11mo ago

Your post reads like something a lawyer would write to convey something that while (maybe) technically true, misses the point by a hundred miles.

bhawks 11mo ago
Yeah you're right, Coinbase is definitely insecure as evidenced by this. The fact that lax security has never caused them to loose billions of dollars of customer funds is just luck and paper covering passwords on a whiteboard.
- chaps 11mo ago
  Yeah. Lots of stuff exposed stuff out there can stay exposed for quite a long time without being targeted or noticed. I've found quite a bunch and usually all it takes is... looking. Just one of those weird things about the modern world.