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Seems like a broad dismissal of the claim made upthread ("Flock sells its data to ICE and law enforcement"). Why do you think it is excessively specific?

by loeg 1y ago

array_key_first 1y ago
Because the specific part here is selling the data and them doing it. Flock does not sell data, they willingly give it away for free. And, technically, they don't do it - their customers do, and Flock knows and lets them. Personally, in my view, this is worse. But they don't specifically sell data.
- loeg 1y ago
  I think complaints about real things make a more persuasive argument than, you know, falsehoods.
  - array_key_first 1y ago
    Being right on a technicality doesnt mean that everyone else is lying. We are not stupid, we were not born yesterday: we all understand that "selling data" does not literally mean exchanging money for data. It can also mean treating data haphazardly, or having a culture of extreme data collection. Both of which describe flock.
    - loeg 1y ago
      It's not a "technicality!" diogenes_atx made a very specific, false claim. Don't do that! > we all understand that "selling data" does not literally mean exchanging money for data. You're completely wrong there. That is exactly what it means. If what you mean is lax security practices, or collecting data in general, just say that. There's really no need to bend over backwards to defend this.
      - array_key_first 1y ago
        I'm not bending over anywhere - I just disagree with you. Your opinion is not "blessed", it is just as much able to wrong as everyone elses. They do not sell data, they willingly give it away for free - which is a form of selling data, with a price tag of $0. Most reasonable human beings will actually say this is slightly worse than "selling" (literal) data. Therefore, I think most people would agree with me, and not with you. In my mind it's very similar to claiming you're not a thief because you give away the stuff you take. No, you're still a thief, you just love being a thief so much you don't even do it for monetary gain. Which is... worse!

Seems like a broad dismissal of the claim made upthread ("Flock sells its data to ICE and law enforcement"). Why do you think it is excessively specific?

by loeg 1y ago

Seems like a broad dismissal of the claim made upthread ("Flock sells its data to ICE and law enforcement"). Why do you think it is excessively specific?

array_key_first 1y ago

Because the specific part here is selling the data and them doing it. Flock does not sell data, they willingly give it away for free. And, technically, they don't do it - their customers do, and Flock knows and lets them. Personally, in my view, this is worse. But they don't specifically sell data.

loeg 1y ago
I think complaints about real things make a more persuasive argument than, you know, falsehoods.
- array_key_first 1y ago
  Being right on a technicality doesnt mean that everyone else is lying. We are not stupid, we were not born yesterday: we all understand that "selling data" does not literally mean exchanging money for data. It can also mean treating data haphazardly, or having a culture of extreme data collection. Both of which describe flock.
  - loeg 1y ago
    It's not a "technicality!" diogenes_atx made a very specific, false claim. Don't do that! > we all understand that "selling data" does not literally mean exchanging money for data. You're completely wrong there. That is exactly what it means. If what you mean is lax security practices, or collecting data in general, just say that. There's really no need to bend over backwards to defend this.
    - array_key_first 1y ago
      I'm not bending over anywhere - I just disagree with you. Your opinion is not "blessed", it is just as much able to wrong as everyone elses. They do not sell data, they willingly give it away for free - which is a form of selling data, with a price tag of $0. Most reasonable human beings will actually say this is slightly worse than "selling" (literal) data. Therefore, I think most people would agree with me, and not with you. In my mind it's very similar to claiming you're not a thief because you give away the stuff you take. No, you're still a thief, you just love being a thief so much you don't even do it for monetary gain. Which is... worse!