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Long time OpenBSD fan. Used it as my daily driver for years before standardizing all computers at home to macOS. I still think about going back to openBSD one d

Long time OpenBSD fan. Used it as my daily driver for years before standardizing all computers at home to macOS. I still think about going back to openBSD one day, but it's no longer very practical as a daily driver. I want to use OpenBSD for the next project I'm building. However, I can't wrap my head around the old way of doing deployments (before containers). People who've built production grade systems with OpenBSD: 1. How do you deploy software? 2. How do you manage fleets of servers? 3. How do you spin up/turn down servers from cloud providers? (I only know of Vultr who provided an OpenBSD option out of the box).

hylaride 11mo ago
> Long time OpenBSD fan. Used it as my daily driver for years before standardizing all computers at home to macOS. I still think about going back to openBSD one day, but it's no longer very practical as a daily driver. It's only practical for hobbyists. I used OpenBSD as a daily driver between 2001-2005. I fought, I suffered, I conquered, and I got tired of not being able to watch video on the web reliably and MacOS in those days was so clean and refreshing. I learned so much, though. > I want to use OpenBSD for the next project I'm building. I admire your open-mindedness. But ask yourself: 1. Do you want to have to upgrade fleets of servers every year with no exceptions for extended security support instead of 5 (or more if you're willing to pay) for LTS versions of Linux? 2. Who else will need to support it? 3. You will likely have worse performance if that matters. > 1. How do you deploy software? Honestly, not many people create their own services that run on OpenBSD. Those that do use old-school packaging and scripting. Tooling like ansible works. > 2. How do you manage fleets of servers? Ansible would be my go-to for classic fleets of servers. > How do you spin up/turn down servers from cloud providers? There are ports of cloud-init for OpenBSD. Creating images for third party OSes can be different levels of painful, depending on the cloud provider.
SoftTalker 11mo ago
OpenBSD has virtualization out of the box now. Most of the benefit of containers you can get with chroot. I don't know if any of the developers are working on a true container/jail capability. I'd like to see a more modern performant filesystem with OpenBSD but ffs has never really let me down. Capability for logical volumes and/or live resizing of partitions would be welcome as well.
indigodaddy 11mo ago
RE: 1/2, doesn't Ansible work for BSDs?

hylaride 11mo ago

> Long time OpenBSD fan. Used it as my daily driver for years before standardizing all computers at home to macOS. I still think about going back to openBSD one day, but it's no longer very practical as a daily driver. It's only practical for hobbyists. I used OpenBSD as a daily driver between 2001-2005. I fought, I suffered, I conquered, and I got tired of not being able to watch video on the web reliably and MacOS in those days was so clean and refreshing. I learned so much, though. > I want to use OpenBSD for the next project I'm building. I admire your open-mindedness. But ask yourself: 1. Do you want to have to upgrade fleets of servers every year with no exceptions for extended security support instead of 5 (or more if you're willing to pay) for LTS versions of Linux? 2. Who else will need to support it? 3. You will likely have worse performance if that matters. > 1. How do you deploy software? Honestly, not many people create their own services that run on OpenBSD. Those that do use old-school packaging and scripting. Tooling like ansible works. > 2. How do you manage fleets of servers? Ansible would be my go-to for classic fleets of servers. > How do you spin up/turn down servers from cloud providers? There are ports of cloud-init for OpenBSD. Creating images for third party OSes can be different levels of painful, depending on the cloud provider.

SoftTalker 11mo ago

OpenBSD has virtualization out of the box now. Most of the benefit of containers you can get with chroot. I don't know if any of the developers are working on a true container/jail capability. I'd like to see a more modern performant filesystem with OpenBSD but ffs has never really let me down. Capability for logical volumes and/or live resizing of partitions would be welcome as well.

indigodaddy 11mo ago

RE: 1/2, doesn't Ansible work for BSDs?