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They're building nukes? Awesome, looks like you have more information than the IAEA. Unless of course you're talking about the same Ayatollah bomb that Iran alm

by rjzzleep 11mo ago

They're building nukes? Awesome, looks like you have more information than the IAEA. Unless of course you're talking about the same Ayatollah bomb that Iran almost has since 1984[1]. The drones are produced by Russia btw. You know, kinda how you guys keep saying that you'll punish China for supplying components for them. Meanwhile every single drone that Ukraine uses is built with either Chinese components or is a modded Chinese drone to begin with. [1] https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/04/24/Ayatollah-bomb-in-production-for-Iran/4490451630800/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/04/24/Ayatollah-bomb-in-pr...

dmix 11mo ago
I don’t think Iran is hiding the fact they are building nuclear weapon tech and long range ballistic missiles capable of MIRV. People dismissed North Korea’s ability to do so for a long time. They thought they were too poor and isolated.
- rjzzleep 11mo ago
  None of which is true of course. Not even the North Korea claim. NK applied to leave the NPT immediately after they deemed the US untrustworthy in 2003, The only country to ever withdraw from the NPT. I would hardly call that hidden. https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003-01/news/north-korea-quits-npt-says-it-will-restart-nuclear-facilities https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003-01/news/north-korea-qui...
  - _zagj 11mo ago
    > NK applied to leave the NPT immediately after they deemed the US untrustworthy in 2003 They started the Korean War by launching an unprovoked invasion of the South (after securing Stalin's reluctant blessing), and continued to wage a campaign of terror against them in the decades after: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimpo_International_Airport_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimpo_International_Airport_bo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangoon_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangoon_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858 And they got caught digging infiltration tunnels under the DMZ, in violation of the 1953 armistice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone#Incursion_tunnels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone#Incu... And they're known to have kidnapped thousands of South Koreans, and scores of other foreign nations, including Japanese citizens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_South_Koreans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Sou... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Jap... Yet it's the US that's untrustworthy? And why do they supposedly even care what the US thinks, considering that China already intervened militarily once (during the Korean War) to preserve their independence and has been pretty clear that it will do so again if needed?
incrudible 11mo ago
When you build all the technology needed to actually build a nuke, when you enrich uranium to near weapons-grade, but you never actually assemble the nuke, are you trying to building a nuke? Or are just messing with everyone, trying to make them think you're building a nuke when you're totally not building a nuke (pinkie promise)? Either way, if you are threatening to annihilate another country, I wouldn't gamble on the latter.
- rjzzleep 11mo ago
  > if you are threatening to annihilate another country, I wouldn't gamble on the latter. you mean what Israel is doing and saying every single day? Doesn't seem to bother anyone.
  - mupuff1234 11mo ago
    In the Iran-israel conflict it's pretty clear cut who started the rhetoric of annihilating the other side first (spoiler, it was Iran) Anyway, I cant comprehend why anyone would try to defend the actions of the Iranian regime, it's just a horrible regime.
energy123 11mo ago
Israel also said Pakistan was trying to build nukes, but they were stopped by the Indian PM in the 1980s from launching a preventive attack. The silver lining is that we don't have to suffer the internet commentators saying "Pakistan has been weeks away from nukes for fifty years!" You can choose to put your head in the sand about a theocracy that enriches uranium to 60%, holds up mushroom clouds in their protests, and repeatedly violated the NPT with clandestine facilities. Others won't be so naive.
- Thlom 11mo ago
  Iran can of course build a nuke in a relatively short timespan if they want to, but for a range of reason they have made the decision not to. Perhaps they should have built a nuke, if they had one Israel and the US wouldn't have bombed them.
  - rjzzleep 11mo ago
    It's really amazing how a bunch of politicians in the US including can just repeat a claim and Trump can just prime a statement like "the JCPOA was a terrible deal" and people that should be smart will gradually start believing it without ever reading a single word of the JCPOA document. No they can't. Canada can. Japan can, SK can. But Iran poured concrete into the rods of its only, then completed heavy water reactor that would have been able to produce the plutonium needed right after they signed the JCPOA before actually receiving any of the concessions they were supposed to get which would have actually given them leverage.This was also detailed in Wendy Sherman's book. The entire airspace around Iran is controlled by the US's allies and Iran's enemies. Iran would never be able to fly a bomb anywhere close to Israel. They would need a ballistic missile delivery mechanism which's research was confirmed by the US to have been stopped in 2003.
    - ndiddy 11mo ago
      Honestly I don't see why any country would ever enter a long-term agreement with the US. The Constitution says that the president negotiates international agreements but that Congress must ratify them. Due to procedural rules basically making it impossible for Congress to pass legislature, any agreements that don't go through Congress are simply executive agreements that can be terminated with a stroke of a pen by a future president. This means that any remotely controversial agreements can't be expected to last beyond the current president's term.
varjag 11mo ago
Iran supplies Shahed long range drones to Russia for years now. They became their staple of terror bombings since. They are also deployed domestic production of them in Russia but a substantial amount of components (foremost motors) still delivered from Iran. If you look at the chart of Russian Shahed launches you can see a lagging dip in early August after Israel's bombing of Iran in June.
ars 11mo ago
> more information than the IAEA. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-report-says-iran-had-secret-activities-with-undeclared-nuclear-material-2025-05-31/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-report-says-iran-ha... Yes. They want to build nukes. I'll never understand how the Iranian bot campaign[1] managed to convince so many people. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz8whKktkQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz8whKktkQg

dmix 11mo ago

I don’t think Iran is hiding the fact they are building nuclear weapon tech and long range ballistic missiles capable of MIRV. People dismissed North Korea’s ability to do so for a long time. They thought they were too poor and isolated.

rjzzleep 11mo ago
None of which is true of course. Not even the North Korea claim. NK applied to leave the NPT immediately after they deemed the US untrustworthy in 2003, The only country to ever withdraw from the NPT. I would hardly call that hidden. https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003-01/news/north-korea-quits-npt-says-it-will-restart-nuclear-facilities https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003-01/news/north-korea-qui...
- _zagj 11mo ago
  > NK applied to leave the NPT immediately after they deemed the US untrustworthy in 2003 They started the Korean War by launching an unprovoked invasion of the South (after securing Stalin's reluctant blessing), and continued to wage a campaign of terror against them in the decades after: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimpo_International_Airport_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimpo_International_Airport_bo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangoon_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangoon_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858 And they got caught digging infiltration tunnels under the DMZ, in violation of the 1953 armistice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone#Incursion_tunnels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone#Incu... And they're known to have kidnapped thousands of South Koreans, and scores of other foreign nations, including Japanese citizens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_South_Koreans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Sou... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Jap... Yet it's the US that's untrustworthy? And why do they supposedly even care what the US thinks, considering that China already intervened militarily once (during the Korean War) to preserve their independence and has been pretty clear that it will do so again if needed?

incrudible 11mo ago

When you build all the technology needed to actually build a nuke, when you enrich uranium to near weapons-grade, but you never actually assemble the nuke, are you trying to building a nuke? Or are just messing with everyone, trying to make them think you're building a nuke when you're totally not building a nuke (pinkie promise)? Either way, if you are threatening to annihilate another country, I wouldn't gamble on the latter.

rjzzleep 11mo ago
> if you are threatening to annihilate another country, I wouldn't gamble on the latter. you mean what Israel is doing and saying every single day? Doesn't seem to bother anyone.
- mupuff1234 11mo ago
  In the Iran-israel conflict it's pretty clear cut who started the rhetoric of annihilating the other side first (spoiler, it was Iran) Anyway, I cant comprehend why anyone would try to defend the actions of the Iranian regime, it's just a horrible regime.

energy123 11mo ago

Israel also said Pakistan was trying to build nukes, but they were stopped by the Indian PM in the 1980s from launching a preventive attack. The silver lining is that we don't have to suffer the internet commentators saying "Pakistan has been weeks away from nukes for fifty years!" You can choose to put your head in the sand about a theocracy that enriches uranium to 60%, holds up mushroom clouds in their protests, and repeatedly violated the NPT with clandestine facilities. Others won't be so naive.

Thlom 11mo ago
Iran can of course build a nuke in a relatively short timespan if they want to, but for a range of reason they have made the decision not to. Perhaps they should have built a nuke, if they had one Israel and the US wouldn't have bombed them.
- rjzzleep 11mo ago
  It's really amazing how a bunch of politicians in the US including can just repeat a claim and Trump can just prime a statement like "the JCPOA was a terrible deal" and people that should be smart will gradually start believing it without ever reading a single word of the JCPOA document. No they can't. Canada can. Japan can, SK can. But Iran poured concrete into the rods of its only, then completed heavy water reactor that would have been able to produce the plutonium needed right after they signed the JCPOA before actually receiving any of the concessions they were supposed to get which would have actually given them leverage.This was also detailed in Wendy Sherman's book. The entire airspace around Iran is controlled by the US's allies and Iran's enemies. Iran would never be able to fly a bomb anywhere close to Israel. They would need a ballistic missile delivery mechanism which's research was confirmed by the US to have been stopped in 2003.
  - ndiddy 11mo ago
    Honestly I don't see why any country would ever enter a long-term agreement with the US. The Constitution says that the president negotiates international agreements but that Congress must ratify them. Due to procedural rules basically making it impossible for Congress to pass legislature, any agreements that don't go through Congress are simply executive agreements that can be terminated with a stroke of a pen by a future president. This means that any remotely controversial agreements can't be expected to last beyond the current president's term.

varjag 11mo ago

Iran supplies Shahed long range drones to Russia for years now. They became their staple of terror bombings since. They are also deployed domestic production of them in Russia but a substantial amount of components (foremost motors) still delivered from Iran. If you look at the chart of Russian Shahed launches you can see a lagging dip in early August after Israel's bombing of Iran in June.

ars 11mo ago

> more information than the IAEA. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-report-says-iran-had-secret-activities-with-undeclared-nuclear-material-2025-05-31/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-report-says-iran-ha... Yes. They want to build nukes. I'll never understand how the Iranian bot campaign[1] managed to convince so many people. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz8whKktkQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz8whKktkQg