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The lack of evidence before attributing the attack(s) to a Chinese sponsored group makes me correlate this report with recent statements from companies in the A
by prinny_ 11mo ago
The lack of evidence before attributing the attack(s) to a Chinese sponsored group makes me correlate this report with recent statements from companies in the AI space about how China is about to surpass US in the AI race. Ultimately statements and reports like these seem more like an attempt to make the US government step in and be the big investor that keeps the money flowing rather than anything else.
- dcotorgoggle 11mo ago[flagged]
- lazide 11mo ago‘No true Scotsman’? Also, plenty of folks with no allegiance would love to pit everyone else against each other.
- hnthrowaway8347 11mo agoPossibly, but: - Many people in many countries now hate the U.S. and U.S. companies like Anthropic. - In addition, leaders in the U.S. have been lobbied by OpenAI and invest in it which is a direct competitor and is well-represented on HN. - China’s government has vested interest in its own companies’ AI ventures. Given this, I’d hardly say that Anthropic was much of a strong U.S. puppet company, and likely has strong evidence about what happened, why also hoping to spin the PR to get people to buy their services. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that people that write inflammatory posts about Anthropic may have more than an axe to grind against AI and may be influenced by their country and its propaganda or potentially may even be working for them.
- bgwalter 11mo agoYou are a communist if you do not like "AI" or sloppy "papers"!
- JKCalhoun 11mo agoDo public reports like this one often go deep enough into the weeds to name names, list specific tools and techniques, URLs? I don't doubt of course that reports intended for government agencies or security experts would have those details, but I am not surprised that a "blog post" like this one is lacking details. I just don't see how one goes from "this is lacking public evidence" to "this is likely a political stunt". I guess I would also ask the skeptics (a bit tangentially, I admit), do you think what Anthropic suggested happened is in fact possible with AI tools? I mean are you denying that this is could even happen or just that Anthropic's specific account was fabricated or embellished? Because if the whole scenario is plausible that should be enough to set off alarm bells somewhere.
- zaphirplane 11mo agoNot vested in the argument but it stood out to me that, Your argument is similar to tv courts if it’s plausible the report is true. Very far from the report is credible
- JKCalhoun 11mo agoYou're right, lacking information I am coming across as instead willing to give Entropic the benefit of the doubt here. But I'm also often a Devil's Advocate and the tide in this thread (well, the very headline as well) seemed to be condemning Anthropic.
- dangus 11mo agoHonest companies with good reputations tend to get the benefit of the doubt. E.g., how much do you expect Costco or Valve to intentionally harm their customers compared to Comcast or Electronic Arts? That’s just the old school concept of reputation at work. Companies can “buy” benefit of the doubt by being genuine and avoiding blowing smoke up people’s ass. Anthropic has been spitting bullshit about how the AGI they’re working on is so smart it’s dangerous. So those chumps having no answers when they get hacked smells like something. Are they telling us their magical human AGI brain and their security professionals being paid top industry rates can’t trace what happened in a breach?
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- sschueller 11mo agoThey yell "China is stealing our tech!" but want us to look away when they pirate everything ever created for their model training...
- pgalvin 11mo agoAnthropic does seem to have more ethical practices on that than most companies in this space, purchasing and scanning physical books rather than pirating them as Meta and OpenAI did. However, books are cheap, and I’m unsure of their wider practices. https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-millions-of-print-books-to-build-its-ai-models/ https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-milli...
- arresin 11mo agoThey pirated wholesale as well. Hence the billion dollar settlement.
- scuff3d 11mo agoThe bubble is gonna burst soon and these companies are desperate to convince the government they are either too big to fail or too critical to national defense to fail.
- bdangubic 11mo agoFeels like most current humans will die (some of boredom) while waiting on this bubble to burst… US in general and HN in particular are averaging 10.78 bubble-popping predictions per hour :)
- scuff3d 11mo agoIt was the same thing with the dotcom bubble. People were talking about it 3 or 4 years before it actually happened.
- metacritic12 11mo agoAnthropic has also been the biggest anti-China LLM in a long while, so it's possible they're using an opportunistic hack (potentially involving actual Chinese IP addresses) as another way to push their agenda.
- pbrum 11mo agoThis is key
- hopelite 11mo agoConsidering ever since the Vault 7 releases, we should be well aware of the fact that at least one government is able to make any attack look like any other nation state actor, any attribution to, especially convenient adversaries, is extremely suspicious on the face of it.