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Doesn’t really surprise me. I remember reading the article linked below from which I quote: > Forced to raise their game, carmakers are only now realizing they

Doesn’t really surprise me. I remember reading the article linked below from which I quote: > Forced to raise their game, carmakers are only now realizing they cannot repeat past mistakes such as letting others build up parts and services businesses off the back of their core product. "They stole the business from us," Martinet says, referencing as an example windshield replacement companies. "So I don't want them to steal the next one." Xavier Martinet is the President and CEO of Hyundai Motor Europe. https://www.wired.com/story/the-global-car-reckoning-is-here-auto-companies-dont-have-a-plan/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-global-car-reckoning-is-here...

RobotToaster 10mo ago
The amount of entitlement in that statement is almost impressive.
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- hopelite 10mo ago
  That’s generally the outcome in abusive relationships.
- PunchyHamster 10mo ago
  It takes years, decades of practice even.
  - hexbin010 10mo ago
    Nah a lot of are just born psychopaths
TheCapeGreek 10mo ago
And thus one of the historically most reliable manufacturers is also enshittified? Damn.
- tarsinge 10mo ago
  Hyundai has a pretty average or bad reliability reputation, especially with engines with a lot of problematic ones, and has only managed to be average since a few years.
  - cruano 10mo ago
    In the US* In the rest of the world, with Korean-produced vehicles, they do much better
  - bluGill 10mo ago
    GM hos long had the same. Even in cases where GM has had toyota put a GM name on a car the GM is rated 3 stars and the Toyota name is rated 5. thus I put little weight on rattings
    - blargthorwars 10mo ago
      Saw that with Pontiac Vibe (Toyota-made) reviews.
  - enraged_camel 10mo ago
    Anecdote but I've been super happy with my 2010 Santa Fe. It's at 135k miles and has had zero issues with the drivetrain. In fact literally the only problem with the car after 15 years is that one of the passenger doors no longer automatically locks. I sometimes tell myself maybe I should buy an EV, but then realize I can drive this thing for another 50k miles, which I'll probably end up doing.
  - bityard 10mo ago
    I had a car with a Hyundai engine. We loved that car. Unfortunately, we did not love the engine. At only 90k miles, it started burning 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles. I want to be clear that I know what I'm doing around cars and an meticulous with regular maintenance, so this wasn't caused by neglect. Doing some research online, it turns out this happens to pretty much all of them at some point after the warranty is up. There is also a separate issue with these engines where they randomly grenade themselves which caused a class action lawsuit. These issues are so common that you simply cannot buy a replacement engine from Hyundai, because there are no more left. There are remanufactured ones available, but they cost more than the car is likely worth, even before labor. All my cars are Honda or Toyota from now on.
Yokolos 10mo ago
That's an insane way of looking at it. One of the reasons I'll never be a CEO, I guess. "Why are they making money off of our broken shit, we should be making that money fixing our broken shit instead". Like, talk about perverse incentives. Seems like the kind of thing that should be regulated.
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- potato3732842 10mo ago
  Windshield and brakes are normal service items though. They're not talking about making money selling broken shit. They're talking about forcing you to give them a cut every time you do normal service things with the product (something they have much more fine grained control over). They're angry that Jiffy Lube exists, not that autobody shops exist. IDK about the European market but US OEMs don't really want to be in the business of fixing things. GM for example DGAF about dealer service departments. They're happy to sell replacement parts and make pennies doing it but they see themselves as being in the new cars and car financing business. When they sell shit that breaks they don't do it so you can pay to fix it. They'd much rather the dealer try to sell you a new car.
  - kiba 10mo ago
    It's the mindset of being as lazy as possible to achieve the most reward. That is a useful mindset to have to some extent, but excessive laziness can be detrimental, even harmful to other people especially when companies are seeking to manipulate the economic and regulatory conditions without producing new wealth. Economists have a term for this called "rent-seeking", and even endorsed by society at large at time, such as land speculation and NIMBYism.
- apparent 10mo ago
  Yep, I'm sure that part of the reason luxury vehicles break so easily (considering their cost) and are so expensive to fix is that HQ is handing out revenue to dealerships in the form of repairs. I've had simple stuff break on a BMW that never failed on any of the cheaper cars I've owned. And it was hundreds or thousands of dollars to fix.
mystraline 10mo ago
Yep, and looking at this and every other mega-company... Is that capitalism itself, once at the top, encourages and benefits neo-feudalism. Feudalism itself is the creation of 'city states' where the lord has all the power over his subjects, and then does token nice things for them. Neo because it uses computers with DRM to enforce the real owner's wishes, instead of guards or servants. Now we see all the biggies engaging in this techno-feudalism because people are trapped into ecosystems, or people did not understand what a "sale" really meant (it was IMHO, a fraudulent sale). And international laws thatcame out from the US's DMCA are a specific reason why this is even allowed to exist. Competition is considered good by proponents if capitalism. But when you're on top, competition means to take you down a notch. So, erecting walls and feudalist digital-states is how you stay on top. Laws are how we can start attacking these horrific structures. But at least for 3 more years in the USA, I'm not seeing it. Hell, we can't even hold fast with 'keep ACA benefits', let alone pro-human laws.

RobotToaster 10mo ago

The amount of entitlement in that statement is almost impressive.

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hopelite 10mo ago
That’s generally the outcome in abusive relationships.
PunchyHamster 10mo ago
It takes years, decades of practice even.
- hexbin010 10mo ago
  Nah a lot of are just born psychopaths

TheCapeGreek 10mo ago

And thus one of the historically most reliable manufacturers is also enshittified? Damn.

tarsinge 10mo ago
Hyundai has a pretty average or bad reliability reputation, especially with engines with a lot of problematic ones, and has only managed to be average since a few years.
- cruano 10mo ago
  In the US* In the rest of the world, with Korean-produced vehicles, they do much better
- bluGill 10mo ago
  GM hos long had the same. Even in cases where GM has had toyota put a GM name on a car the GM is rated 3 stars and the Toyota name is rated 5. thus I put little weight on rattings
  - blargthorwars 10mo ago
    Saw that with Pontiac Vibe (Toyota-made) reviews.
- enraged_camel 10mo ago
  Anecdote but I've been super happy with my 2010 Santa Fe. It's at 135k miles and has had zero issues with the drivetrain. In fact literally the only problem with the car after 15 years is that one of the passenger doors no longer automatically locks. I sometimes tell myself maybe I should buy an EV, but then realize I can drive this thing for another 50k miles, which I'll probably end up doing.
- bityard 10mo ago
  I had a car with a Hyundai engine. We loved that car. Unfortunately, we did not love the engine. At only 90k miles, it started burning 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles. I want to be clear that I know what I'm doing around cars and an meticulous with regular maintenance, so this wasn't caused by neglect. Doing some research online, it turns out this happens to pretty much all of them at some point after the warranty is up. There is also a separate issue with these engines where they randomly grenade themselves which caused a class action lawsuit. These issues are so common that you simply cannot buy a replacement engine from Hyundai, because there are no more left. There are remanufactured ones available, but they cost more than the car is likely worth, even before labor. All my cars are Honda or Toyota from now on.

Yokolos 10mo ago

That's an insane way of looking at it. One of the reasons I'll never be a CEO, I guess. "Why are they making money off of our broken shit, we should be making that money fixing our broken shit instead". Like, talk about perverse incentives. Seems like the kind of thing that should be regulated.

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potato3732842 10mo ago
Windshield and brakes are normal service items though. They're not talking about making money selling broken shit. They're talking about forcing you to give them a cut every time you do normal service things with the product (something they have much more fine grained control over). They're angry that Jiffy Lube exists, not that autobody shops exist. IDK about the European market but US OEMs don't really want to be in the business of fixing things. GM for example DGAF about dealer service departments. They're happy to sell replacement parts and make pennies doing it but they see themselves as being in the new cars and car financing business. When they sell shit that breaks they don't do it so you can pay to fix it. They'd much rather the dealer try to sell you a new car.
- kiba 10mo ago
  It's the mindset of being as lazy as possible to achieve the most reward. That is a useful mindset to have to some extent, but excessive laziness can be detrimental, even harmful to other people especially when companies are seeking to manipulate the economic and regulatory conditions without producing new wealth. Economists have a term for this called "rent-seeking", and even endorsed by society at large at time, such as land speculation and NIMBYism.
apparent 10mo ago
Yep, I'm sure that part of the reason luxury vehicles break so easily (considering their cost) and are so expensive to fix is that HQ is handing out revenue to dealerships in the form of repairs. I've had simple stuff break on a BMW that never failed on any of the cheaper cars I've owned. And it was hundreds or thousands of dollars to fix.

mystraline 10mo ago

Yep, and looking at this and every other mega-company... Is that capitalism itself, once at the top, encourages and benefits neo-feudalism. Feudalism itself is the creation of 'city states' where the lord has all the power over his subjects, and then does token nice things for them. Neo because it uses computers with DRM to enforce the real owner's wishes, instead of guards or servants. Now we see all the biggies engaging in this techno-feudalism because people are trapped into ecosystems, or people did not understand what a "sale" really meant (it was IMHO, a fraudulent sale). And international laws thatcame out from the US's DMCA are a specific reason why this is even allowed to exist. Competition is considered good by proponents if capitalism. But when you're on top, competition means to take you down a notch. So, erecting walls and feudalist digital-states is how you stay on top. Laws are how we can start attacking these horrific structures. But at least for 3 more years in the USA, I'm not seeing it. Hell, we can't even hold fast with 'keep ACA benefits', let alone pro-human laws.