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> You realize every single country has similar procedures? The US has a way of setting bad precedents or pressuring other countries to adopt its inanity, yes.

> You realize every single country has similar procedures? The US has a way of setting bad precedents or pressuring other countries to adopt its inanity, yes. Another reason not to do it here. > If NY gets disrupted - no one cares outside of New York. The very large number of people in New York probably care though. Also, why would someone blowing up a train in New York be less scary to people in DC than someone blowing up a plane in New York would be to people in DC? > Do you remember how people were stuck after 911 or more recently when a bad software update took out airlines nationwide? Less than a quarter as many people as get stuck when the NYC subways are offline, presumably.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
If you haven’t noticed, “the people in DC” right now don’t care about the US outside of red states. And the reason a plane is different because people think it could happen to them if they got on a plane. If you don’t live in NYC, it’s easy to avoid the NYC train system. If I want to get from ATL to Seattle - what am I going to do drivers two or three days? >Less than a quarter as many people as get stuck when the NYC subways are offline, presumably. There plenty of ways to get from Manhattan to Queens if the train system went down then to get from California to Florida. Is it really that hard to see the difference between a localized transportation system in NYC and a worldwide network of planes? Especially since airline security doesn’t just affect domestic flights it also affects flights leaving the US. And you think the US pressured England of all places to have higher security? Did you forget about all the bombing they use to have? Did they also irsssye countries to have higher security security measures for domestic flights and their internal train system? Or do you think that Israel would have less security if it weren’t for US pressure or Central America? Why would the US care for instance if there were screenings to get on the baby Sansa propellor plane that flies from San Jose Costa Rica to Manual Antonino? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quepos_La_Managua_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quepos_La_Managua_Airport The plane they use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_208_Caravan#Variants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_208_Caravan#Variants Yes the terminal is a hut and I’ve flown into there before.
- AnthonyMouse 1y ago
  > If you haven’t noticed, “the people in DC” right now don’t care about the US outside of red states. I feel like you're failing to see the symmetry at all. We have direct historical evidence on point that they cared about some New York City skyscrapers, and those were definitely Republicans too. Do you really think they wouldn't care about the same thing today regardless of whether it was a plane or a train? > And the reason a plane is different because people think it could happen to them if they got on a plane. But if it happens to a train people don't think it could happen to them if they got on a train? Either that's not true or those people would have such a disconnected relationship to logic that there is no use pandering to them anyway because they wouldn't see the connection between your policies and the results. > There plenty of ways to get from Manhattan to Queens if the train system went down then to get from California to Florida. Spoken like someone who hasn't seen the days when it goes down. What happens when you take the 4 million people who ride the subway every day and tell them it isn't there? Impassable gridlock. > Is it really that hard to see the difference between a localized transportation system in NYC and a worldwide network of planes? All of the transportation systems are interconnected. What does the connectedness change? If something happens on a train in New York, does it materially affect San Francisco but not Honolulu because trains connect New York and California but not Hawaii? Planes are even less affected by this than other things because you can damage train tracks or road bridges that act as a bottleneck but the only infrastructure air travel requires is airports and planes, and airports are widely distributed and planes are easy to move around. > Especially since airline security doesn’t just affect domestic flights it also affects flights leaving the US. Which is another reason it's a farce, because it also affects flights entering the US and then it doesn't matter what the TSA does when you can go through airport security in the country of your choosing with the weakest or most bribe-accepting security that lets you get behind the checkpoint on a plane to the US. > And you think the US pressured England of all places to have higher security? Your original claim was that all other countries do this. Before 9/11, they didn't, and now you're having to resort to only the countries with the most stringent checks. Obviously Israel where bombings are practically a daily occurrence would need more than countries where that is much less common, but that's kind of the point, isn't it? > Why would the US care for instance if there were screenings to get on the baby Sansa propellor plane that flies from San Jose Costa Rica to Manual Antonino? Are you saying that the screenings to get on that plane are the same as the ones imposed by the TSA, or are you now conceding that this is wrong: > You realize every single country has similar procedures?

raw_anon_1111 1y ago

If you haven’t noticed, “the people in DC” right now don’t care about the US outside of red states. And the reason a plane is different because people think it could happen to them if they got on a plane. If you don’t live in NYC, it’s easy to avoid the NYC train system. If I want to get from ATL to Seattle - what am I going to do drivers two or three days? >Less than a quarter as many people as get stuck when the NYC subways are offline, presumably. There plenty of ways to get from Manhattan to Queens if the train system went down then to get from California to Florida. Is it really that hard to see the difference between a localized transportation system in NYC and a worldwide network of planes? Especially since airline security doesn’t just affect domestic flights it also affects flights leaving the US. And you think the US pressured England of all places to have higher security? Did you forget about all the bombing they use to have? Did they also irsssye countries to have higher security security measures for domestic flights and their internal train system? Or do you think that Israel would have less security if it weren’t for US pressure or Central America? Why would the US care for instance if there were screenings to get on the baby Sansa propellor plane that flies from San Jose Costa Rica to Manual Antonino? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quepos_La_Managua_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quepos_La_Managua_Airport The plane they use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_208_Caravan#Variants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_208_Caravan#Variants Yes the terminal is a hut and I’ve flown into there before.

AnthonyMouse 1y ago
> If you haven’t noticed, “the people in DC” right now don’t care about the US outside of red states. I feel like you're failing to see the symmetry at all. We have direct historical evidence on point that they cared about some New York City skyscrapers, and those were definitely Republicans too. Do you really think they wouldn't care about the same thing today regardless of whether it was a plane or a train? > And the reason a plane is different because people think it could happen to them if they got on a plane. But if it happens to a train people don't think it could happen to them if they got on a train? Either that's not true or those people would have such a disconnected relationship to logic that there is no use pandering to them anyway because they wouldn't see the connection between your policies and the results. > There plenty of ways to get from Manhattan to Queens if the train system went down then to get from California to Florida. Spoken like someone who hasn't seen the days when it goes down. What happens when you take the 4 million people who ride the subway every day and tell them it isn't there? Impassable gridlock. > Is it really that hard to see the difference between a localized transportation system in NYC and a worldwide network of planes? All of the transportation systems are interconnected. What does the connectedness change? If something happens on a train in New York, does it materially affect San Francisco but not Honolulu because trains connect New York and California but not Hawaii? Planes are even less affected by this than other things because you can damage train tracks or road bridges that act as a bottleneck but the only infrastructure air travel requires is airports and planes, and airports are widely distributed and planes are easy to move around. > Especially since airline security doesn’t just affect domestic flights it also affects flights leaving the US. Which is another reason it's a farce, because it also affects flights entering the US and then it doesn't matter what the TSA does when you can go through airport security in the country of your choosing with the weakest or most bribe-accepting security that lets you get behind the checkpoint on a plane to the US. > And you think the US pressured England of all places to have higher security? Your original claim was that all other countries do this. Before 9/11, they didn't, and now you're having to resort to only the countries with the most stringent checks. Obviously Israel where bombings are practically a daily occurrence would need more than countries where that is much less common, but that's kind of the point, isn't it? > Why would the US care for instance if there were screenings to get on the baby Sansa propellor plane that flies from San Jose Costa Rica to Manual Antonino? Are you saying that the screenings to get on that plane are the same as the ones imposed by the TSA, or are you now conceding that this is wrong: > You realize every single country has similar procedures?