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I use it every single day and it is amazing! I have had my car for 6+ years now and it has only gotten better. Starting with "Navigate on Autopilot" when I orig

I use it every single day and it is amazing! I have had my car for 6+ years now and it has only gotten better. Starting with "Navigate on Autopilot" when I originally got the car in 2019 which was pretty janky, it has only gotten better and better (with the rare regression in some cases). As of the last year or so, I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore!

Keyframe 11mo ago
I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore! Is that legal where you live?
- hgomersall 11mo ago
  Even if it's legal, it's pretty stupid.
- Workaccount2 11mo ago
  On ford and I believe Chevy's systems you can let go of the wheel, however their systems only work on pre-mapped roads, and those roads are 99% interstates and highways.
- DarmokJalad1701 11mo ago
  It is legal. I still have to pay attention to the road. There is attention monitoring using the in-cabin camera which falls back to steering wheel torque detection if the cabin illumination is too low.
tomrod 11mo ago
Yeah, I'll be honest, that sounds awful. I like public transit and I like driving myself. Hybridizing with me in the drivers seat but not touching the wheel sounds annoying and tiresome.
- doph 11mo ago
  I share this opinion. I've used FSD quite a bit during the free trial periods and each time come away with the sense that it's like driving with a newly licensed teenager at the wheel. If I have to be as alert and ready to avoid an accident as when I'm in command of the car, then this offers no improvement to the experience, just an added layer of stress trying to anticipate the actions of yet another actor in the environment.
- DarmokJalad1701 11mo ago
  My experience has been different. I find that not needing to have hyper-focus for extended periods of time with constant micro-adjustments has a big effect on fatigue - especially on long trips. Not needing to touch the wheel while using gaze-detection for attention tracking just reduces the annoyance IMO. I find it very similar to operating an airplane with a reliable autopilot. The GFC-700 is super good at what it does. But it is still on me to monitor what it is doing, while at the same time significantly reducing my workload.
303uru 11mo ago
What kind of setting do you live in? I live in the outskirts of Denver (Cherry Creek) and commute downtown and I have to intervene all the time.
- doph 11mo ago
  I'm in Los Angeles, which can be a challenging place to drive. Each time they give me a free trial of FSD for a month, I enable it and test it with excitement and optimism. Each time I only use it for a day or two before it does something dangerous enough to scare me.
  - steveBK123 11mo ago
    It's interesting seeing people in the same geographic areas report completely different experiences. I think the fanboys self select for above-average risk tolerance / want their toy to succeed. I recall years ago when I still had a Tesla and frequented forums, often after every FSD/Autopilot release the boosters would declares "this is it, its finally great and I barely need to intervene". However almost as often, they would quietly concede that their girlfriend/wife (cuz it was always dudes pumping the car) refuses to ride with them when the use it due to the ride quality, lol.
    - FeloniousHam 11mo ago
      > I think the fanboys self select for above-average risk tolerance As an admitted FSD fanboy, I think this is correct. You know within a couple of days (or as some have mentioned, one drive) your comfort level with the technology. My wife has no patience for even a single aberration, I'm comfortable with the occasional hitch or wrong lane choice. On the highway or going home from a night out however, she's more amenable to the robot driving. I don't have an investment (monthly subscriber), I've driven with it for years, and I am everyday impressed.
- DarmokJalad1701 11mo ago
  Los Angeles suburb - my commute is either highways or city streets depending on the traffic. It works really well here.
ajross 11mo ago
Ditto. The volume of knee-jerk hatred these posts engender here really just fails in the face of the capabilities of the actual system. Like, it's OK to shout and scream about LIDAR and supervision and disengagement and all. But... it still drives itself! Really well.
- Workaccount2 11mo ago
  The problem is that if it drives well for 30,000 miles (unsupervised) on residential roads before steam rolling little billy on his bike, you will get a deluge of people who swear the system is excellent. But when you incorporate that tech into a fleet doing 100k residential miles a week with no supervisor, your mowing down 12 kids a month.
  - ajross 11mo ago
    How many kids has it steamrollered? Obviously not 12 a month! Seems like this is an argument to be had with real numbers, no?
    - Workaccount2 11mo ago
      Zero, because there isn't, and hasn't been, a single unsupervised Tesla on the road. There are no real numbers, because there are no real self-driving Teslas.
      - ajross 11mo ago
        So... that was exactly the point upthread. You're making a semantic argument over the proper definition for the word "real" when applied to autonomous vehicle systems. Nothing in this argument is actionable in any way. You can't conjure real dead kids, so you need to describe hypothetical ones. That's... yeah. Nonetheless, our cars drive us around anyway. Neither they, nor us, actually care about hypothetical steamrollered kids.
        Workaccount2 11mo ago
para_parolu 11mo ago
It is a miracle consumer technology but it does mistakes. I have 40k miles in last 2 years mostly using fsd (since v13). And my anecdotal experience is that it drives itself well until it doesn’t. So far I was lucky enough to pay attention when it was critical. Which is hard to do because car doing good most of the time.
xnx 11mo ago
> I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore! What's the usefulness of this if you still have to pay attention at all times?
- jiriro 11mo ago
  The level of engagement during the FSD (I only oversee the FSD) is about 10% of the engagement during “I drive”. Nobody can be told what FSD is. You have to see it for yourself.

Keyframe 11mo ago

I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore! Is that legal where you live?

hgomersall 11mo ago
Even if it's legal, it's pretty stupid.
Workaccount2 11mo ago
On ford and I believe Chevy's systems you can let go of the wheel, however their systems only work on pre-mapped roads, and those roads are 99% interstates and highways.
DarmokJalad1701 11mo ago
It is legal. I still have to pay attention to the road. There is attention monitoring using the in-cabin camera which falls back to steering wheel torque detection if the cabin illumination is too low.

tomrod 11mo ago

Yeah, I'll be honest, that sounds awful. I like public transit and I like driving myself. Hybridizing with me in the drivers seat but not touching the wheel sounds annoying and tiresome.

doph 11mo ago
I share this opinion. I've used FSD quite a bit during the free trial periods and each time come away with the sense that it's like driving with a newly licensed teenager at the wheel. If I have to be as alert and ready to avoid an accident as when I'm in command of the car, then this offers no improvement to the experience, just an added layer of stress trying to anticipate the actions of yet another actor in the environment.
DarmokJalad1701 11mo ago
My experience has been different. I find that not needing to have hyper-focus for extended periods of time with constant micro-adjustments has a big effect on fatigue - especially on long trips. Not needing to touch the wheel while using gaze-detection for attention tracking just reduces the annoyance IMO. I find it very similar to operating an airplane with a reliable autopilot. The GFC-700 is super good at what it does. But it is still on me to monitor what it is doing, while at the same time significantly reducing my workload.

303uru 11mo ago

What kind of setting do you live in? I live in the outskirts of Denver (Cherry Creek) and commute downtown and I have to intervene all the time.

doph 11mo ago
I'm in Los Angeles, which can be a challenging place to drive. Each time they give me a free trial of FSD for a month, I enable it and test it with excitement and optimism. Each time I only use it for a day or two before it does something dangerous enough to scare me.
- steveBK123 11mo ago
  It's interesting seeing people in the same geographic areas report completely different experiences. I think the fanboys self select for above-average risk tolerance / want their toy to succeed. I recall years ago when I still had a Tesla and frequented forums, often after every FSD/Autopilot release the boosters would declares "this is it, its finally great and I barely need to intervene". However almost as often, they would quietly concede that their girlfriend/wife (cuz it was always dudes pumping the car) refuses to ride with them when the use it due to the ride quality, lol.
  - FeloniousHam 11mo ago
    > I think the fanboys self select for above-average risk tolerance As an admitted FSD fanboy, I think this is correct. You know within a couple of days (or as some have mentioned, one drive) your comfort level with the technology. My wife has no patience for even a single aberration, I'm comfortable with the occasional hitch or wrong lane choice. On the highway or going home from a night out however, she's more amenable to the robot driving. I don't have an investment (monthly subscriber), I've driven with it for years, and I am everyday impressed.
DarmokJalad1701 11mo ago
Los Angeles suburb - my commute is either highways or city streets depending on the traffic. It works really well here.

ajross 11mo ago

Ditto. The volume of knee-jerk hatred these posts engender here really just fails in the face of the capabilities of the actual system. Like, it's OK to shout and scream about LIDAR and supervision and disengagement and all. But... it still drives itself! Really well.

Workaccount2 11mo ago
The problem is that if it drives well for 30,000 miles (unsupervised) on residential roads before steam rolling little billy on his bike, you will get a deluge of people who swear the system is excellent. But when you incorporate that tech into a fleet doing 100k residential miles a week with no supervisor, your mowing down 12 kids a month.
- ajross 11mo ago
  How many kids has it steamrollered? Obviously not 12 a month! Seems like this is an argument to be had with real numbers, no?
  - Workaccount2 11mo ago
    Zero, because there isn't, and hasn't been, a single unsupervised Tesla on the road. There are no real numbers, because there are no real self-driving Teslas.
    - ajross 11mo ago
      So... that was exactly the point upthread. You're making a semantic argument over the proper definition for the word "real" when applied to autonomous vehicle systems. Nothing in this argument is actionable in any way. You can't conjure real dead kids, so you need to describe hypothetical ones. That's... yeah. Nonetheless, our cars drive us around anyway. Neither they, nor us, actually care about hypothetical steamrollered kids.
      - Workaccount2 11mo ago

para_parolu 11mo ago

It is a miracle consumer technology but it does mistakes. I have 40k miles in last 2 years mostly using fsd (since v13). And my anecdotal experience is that it drives itself well until it doesn’t. So far I was lucky enough to pay attention when it was critical. Which is hard to do because car doing good most of the time.

xnx 11mo ago

> I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore! What's the usefulness of this if you still have to pay attention at all times?

jiriro 11mo ago
The level of engagement during the FSD (I only oversee the FSD) is about 10% of the engagement during “I drive”. Nobody can be told what FSD is. You have to see it for yourself.