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> The term PUA has a negative association in the mainstream because there is a perception it uses jedi mind tricks to bed the girl. Maybe among some people. Th
by derleth 14y ago
> The term PUA has a negative association in the mainstream because there is a perception it uses jedi mind tricks to bed the girl.
Maybe among some people. The rest of us look at crap like 'negging' and see that the whole thing's a tactic to get the emotionally damaged to sleep with the socially stunted.
- badclient 14y agoYou are welcome to judge from behind the monitor but if you actually went out and looked at reality, you'd realize there is nothing magical about negs and that negs themselves won't get you a girl--whether emotionally damaged or not. It could in certain cases help you increase attraction a wee bit. In that sense, it isn't much different than tips we read about pitching to VCs etc.
- derleth 14y ago> In that sense, it isn't much different than tips we read about pitching to VCs etc. Except for the moral aspect, which PUAs seem dead-set on ignoring.
- badclient 14y agoThat's a fair point. To that I would say once you lift the curtains and take a peek, you will find many different school of thoughts within this. Some of the most famous personalities and ideas about PUAs in the mainstream isn't even very popular inside the PUA community. On the other hand, there are entire "systems" that are premised on being dead honest about your intention.
- evan_ 14y agoI guess the thing that people don't like about it is the part where you insult people you don't know for selfish reasons? I mean maybe that's part of it?
- Jd 14y agoThis is to a certain extent based on a misconception. First, 'negging' is simply one tactic in the arsenal of the PUA, although in the present circulation it receives a good deal of prominence due to its counter-intuitive nature and the legions of doltish would-be PUAs that run around 'negging' people since they don't have any other social skills. Sadly, here, as elsewhere, the audience which is most likely to get into the "Game" most completely are those that have the lowest prospects to start with, and a few tricks are not going to change someone with no social skills into Prince Charming in a matter of sessions. That said, although I have more or less agreed with you with regards to the 'social stunted' part (as a generalization) 'negging' is not particularly targeted at the emotionally damaged who respond to being put down. It is a tactic charged at the supremely confident, attractive girl who is used to blowing off guys who approach her. The 'neg' is, consequently, first and foremost, an expression of confidence by the person who is approaching her. He is not approaching her as a fawning wretch, but someone who thinks of himself as her equal or even superior. That this can be a turn on of sorts, esp. when contrasted with the usual types of social interaction encountered by very attractive women at bars and clubs, should be obvious. That the usual types of social interaction at bars and clubs are far from ideal or normative is hopefully also understood.
- monkeypizza 14y agoNegging is like that story of a visitor to the Apple campus who saw Steve Jobs walking by and didn't recognize him, and called out "hey, can you take a picture for me?" That initial shock at the lack of deference allowed that person to have more of an interaction than most people got.
- baddox 14y agoAre emotionally damaged people not supposed to have sex?
- derleth 14y agoYou aren't supposed to take advantage of their damage to have sex with them.
- baddox 14y agoIf someone consents, it presumably means they deem the exchange to be mutually beneficial, so I don't know how you could determine some cases to be "taking advantage."
- andrewflnr 14y agoIf you take advantage of someone's ignorance to sell them snake oil, they may think (for a while) that the exchange was mutually beneficial, but you're still evil.
- badclient 14y agoSo, what precisely is the snake oil as it relates to PUAs meeting women?
- andrewflnr 14y agoThat giving the PUA what they want will make them happier.
- badclient 14y agoWhat specifically do you find evil?
- technolem 14y agoYou. To be more specific if snake oil really did solve the world's problems snake oil salesmen would still be snake oil salesmen. They are trying to get something by convincing others of a thing whether or not it is true.
- niete 14y agoThat is a cute talking point, but does it have much to do with reality? Not really. In pick up artistry, the goal is to be and act like a natural. Sometimes there are a lot of silly hoops on the way and it does not work for everyone, but it does work in the end.