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You're not going to justify colonial genocide with whataboutism. It wasn't OK when the US did it and then called natives savages as a defense for our inhuman tr

You're not going to justify colonial genocide with whataboutism. It wasn't OK when the US did it and then called natives savages as a defense for our inhuman treatment of them, and it's not OK now that Israel is doing it. No amount of whining about Hamas will change that, especially considering Netanyahu openly funded Hamas through Qatar. You act like this conflict hasn't been perpetuated for decades. It's manufactured consent, plain and simple. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... Hamas' actions are easily condemnable and doesn't need a mention, the only people who can't seem to understand that are the same people who seem to have a problem condemning Israel's actions. It is extremely easy to condemn both of them at once, if you start from an ethical, secular foundation.

nandomrumber 1y ago
I’m not interested in condemning Israel’s actions. What radicalised me was inadvertently catching ten seconds of the killings at that Israeli dance music festival / bush doof. Palestinians could put Hamas down in an afternoon, if they wanted to. Whatever it takes.
- soulofmischief 1y ago
  Lol. This same mentality is professed by those you wish to condemn. You reveal yourself to be no better than the monsters you seek to destroy. You're willing to kill civilian women and children and men in order to do it. You're willing to blame a people for the actions of a terrorist government that Israel/Netanyahu themselves propped up, something you didn't even bother to deny. You're an absolute joke. Your consent is manufactured, and you're so lazy and brainwashed that you don't even care that you're a pawn.
  - nandomrumber 1y ago
    How do you prove your understanding of the situation isn’t manufactured? Is it because Greta Thunberg is on your side? I could understand that, she’s quite pretty. Is it your manufactured guilt over something you didn’t do, to people that didn’t have jt happen to them? Or is it because you are what happens when children are raised by three generations of fatherless homes? Ask yourself, what would happen if Israel said it would lay down its arms and fight no longer, vs. what would happen if Palestinians did the same.
    - soulofmischief 1y ago
      Israel has zero justification for its colonial occupation. Colonial occupation is unjustifiable. I don't care what cult religious "right" Israel thinks it has that allows it to occupy and genocide a group of people, and then dare to call those people the violent savages. America did the same thing. It was called Manifest Destiny. Americans were convinced they had a God-given right to subjugate, colonize and genocide the native American people. How do I know my understanding of the situation isn't manufactured? I have the capability to research history and have independent thoughts. Your attempt to patronize and belittle me is a poor stand-in for an actual rebuttal. All you've offered me is , "b-b-buT WhAT iF uR WrONg?". I also don't know what you're talking about "fatherless homes", I was indeed raised without a father and still seem to be a much better representative of what it means to be a man than someone who justifies the mass killing of innocent women and children over a manufactured terrorist strike. You speak from a place of privilege and ignorance. You should be ashamed of yourself.
      - nandomrumber 1y ago
        What would I need to read / watch to be convinced that October 7th was a false flag / manufactured incident?
        soulofmischief 1y ago
        I didn't insinuate it was a false flag, but that it was a natural result of an ongoing manufactured conflict designed for consolidation of power. Have you read the article I linked in a prior message and attempted to corroborate or disprove its contents?
        nandomrumber 1y ago
        This one? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... I don’t know what you think it’s trying to say, but I will admit that my own ideological bent probably makes it read a lot differently to you. I have a half-non-serious idea that these small scale wars (compared to WWI / II) that pop up around the world from time to time occur to maintain at least some state of force-readiness and to make use of ordnance with a limited shelf life. Everything else is just a ruse, and people like you and myself are unwittingly divided over meaningless conflict in far off lands, and would probably get along really well as colleagues or friends. Thanks for continuing the conversation and not getting triggered by my probably immature responses. I do think Jesse Lee Peterson does have a point though.

nandomrumber 1y ago

I’m not interested in condemning Israel’s actions. What radicalised me was inadvertently catching ten seconds of the killings at that Israeli dance music festival / bush doof. Palestinians could put Hamas down in an afternoon, if they wanted to. Whatever it takes.

soulofmischief 1y ago
Lol. This same mentality is professed by those you wish to condemn. You reveal yourself to be no better than the monsters you seek to destroy. You're willing to kill civilian women and children and men in order to do it. You're willing to blame a people for the actions of a terrorist government that Israel/Netanyahu themselves propped up, something you didn't even bother to deny. You're an absolute joke. Your consent is manufactured, and you're so lazy and brainwashed that you don't even care that you're a pawn.
- nandomrumber 1y ago
  How do you prove your understanding of the situation isn’t manufactured? Is it because Greta Thunberg is on your side? I could understand that, she’s quite pretty. Is it your manufactured guilt over something you didn’t do, to people that didn’t have jt happen to them? Or is it because you are what happens when children are raised by three generations of fatherless homes? Ask yourself, what would happen if Israel said it would lay down its arms and fight no longer, vs. what would happen if Palestinians did the same.
  - soulofmischief 1y ago
    Israel has zero justification for its colonial occupation. Colonial occupation is unjustifiable. I don't care what cult religious "right" Israel thinks it has that allows it to occupy and genocide a group of people, and then dare to call those people the violent savages. America did the same thing. It was called Manifest Destiny. Americans were convinced they had a God-given right to subjugate, colonize and genocide the native American people. How do I know my understanding of the situation isn't manufactured? I have the capability to research history and have independent thoughts. Your attempt to patronize and belittle me is a poor stand-in for an actual rebuttal. All you've offered me is , "b-b-buT WhAT iF uR WrONg?". I also don't know what you're talking about "fatherless homes", I was indeed raised without a father and still seem to be a much better representative of what it means to be a man than someone who justifies the mass killing of innocent women and children over a manufactured terrorist strike. You speak from a place of privilege and ignorance. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    - nandomrumber 1y ago
      What would I need to read / watch to be convinced that October 7th was a false flag / manufactured incident?
      - soulofmischief 1y ago
        I didn't insinuate it was a false flag, but that it was a natural result of an ongoing manufactured conflict designed for consolidation of power. Have you read the article I linked in a prior message and attempted to corroborate or disprove its contents?
        nandomrumber 1y ago
        This one? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... I don’t know what you think it’s trying to say, but I will admit that my own ideological bent probably makes it read a lot differently to you. I have a half-non-serious idea that these small scale wars (compared to WWI / II) that pop up around the world from time to time occur to maintain at least some state of force-readiness and to make use of ordnance with a limited shelf life. Everything else is just a ruse, and people like you and myself are unwittingly divided over meaningless conflict in far off lands, and would probably get along really well as colleagues or friends. Thanks for continuing the conversation and not getting triggered by my probably immature responses. I do think Jesse Lee Peterson does have a point though.