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Are we pretending that optimizing for taste is a bad thing? It’s obviously bad to eat super salty “ultraprocessed” food all the time, but it’s not like the sal

by poink 11mo ago

Are we pretending that optimizing for taste is a bad thing? It’s obviously bad to eat super salty “ultraprocessed” food all the time, but it’s not like the salt is the primary problem To take OP’s example, I’d much rather kids eat generously salted broccoli that is “optimized for taste” rather than unsalted mac & cheese, regardless of whether they just throw it away (which I probably would, too)

sevg 11mo ago
> It feels like you’re using “industrial food” as a pejorative, but the best chefs in the world also do not skimp on salt Your first comment that kicked off this sub-thread missed the context. We’re talking about school food kids eat every day, not occasional restaurant meals. So the appeal to authority of “best chefs in the world” doesn’t make sense here. My point wasn’t that taste is bad, it’s that when you optimize solely for taste like restaurants do (using high salt, high fat etc without disclosure), you can create health problems when consumed daily.
- margalabargala 11mo ago
  > My point wasn’t that taste is bad, it’s that when you optimize solely for taste like restaurants do (using high salt, high fat etc without disclosure), you can create health problems when consumed daily. Your implication is that high salt in meals causes these health problems. It does not. You might as well say high vitamin, high nurrient meal. Don't conflate the effects of eating ultraprocessed foods with the effects of eating salt just because one often contains the other. What you're doing is complaining about the health effects of water, having observed that soda is mostly water.
  - sevg 11mo ago
    Nice strawman. I didn’t mention ultra-processed foods :) If anyone else is reading this and wants to do their own reading about the effects of salt, I can point you to the WHO, the NHS, the FDA, one of many highly cited studies, and wikipedia: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sodium-reduction https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sodium-redu... https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/salt-in-your-diet/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/salt-in-you... https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-food-labeling-and-critical-foods/sodium-reduction-food-supply https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-food-labeling-and-critica... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267338249_Global_sodium_consumption_and_death_from_cardiovascular_causes https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267338249_Global_so... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_salt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_salt Though, margalabargala, if you don’t believe in science then I can’t help you :)
    - margalabargala 11mo ago
      You're right, it was someone else mentioning ultraprocessed foods, I didn't track usernames. Are you aware that you are being a condescending asshole with the way you wrote that comment?
scns 11mo ago
> unsalted mac & cheese Cheese already contains loads of salt.

by poink 11mo ago

sevg 11mo ago

> It feels like you’re using “industrial food” as a pejorative, but the best chefs in the world also do not skimp on salt Your first comment that kicked off this sub-thread missed the context. We’re talking about school food kids eat every day, not occasional restaurant meals. So the appeal to authority of “best chefs in the world” doesn’t make sense here. My point wasn’t that taste is bad, it’s that when you optimize solely for taste like restaurants do (using high salt, high fat etc without disclosure), you can create health problems when consumed daily.

margalabargala 11mo ago
> My point wasn’t that taste is bad, it’s that when you optimize solely for taste like restaurants do (using high salt, high fat etc without disclosure), you can create health problems when consumed daily. Your implication is that high salt in meals causes these health problems. It does not. You might as well say high vitamin, high nurrient meal. Don't conflate the effects of eating ultraprocessed foods with the effects of eating salt just because one often contains the other. What you're doing is complaining about the health effects of water, having observed that soda is mostly water.
- sevg 11mo ago
  Nice strawman. I didn’t mention ultra-processed foods :) If anyone else is reading this and wants to do their own reading about the effects of salt, I can point you to the WHO, the NHS, the FDA, one of many highly cited studies, and wikipedia: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sodium-reduction https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sodium-redu... https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/salt-in-your-diet/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/salt-in-you... https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-food-labeling-and-critical-foods/sodium-reduction-food-supply https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-food-labeling-and-critica... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267338249_Global_sodium_consumption_and_death_from_cardiovascular_causes https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267338249_Global_so... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_salt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_salt Though, margalabargala, if you don’t believe in science then I can’t help you :)
  - margalabargala 11mo ago
    You're right, it was someone else mentioning ultraprocessed foods, I didn't track usernames. Are you aware that you are being a condescending asshole with the way you wrote that comment?

scns 11mo ago

> unsalted mac & cheese Cheese already contains loads of salt.