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Not sure what's an alternative for Grafana in the open source world in terms of building dashboards for o11y? I'm not aware of one and Grafana is used very exte

by YZF 11mo ago

Not sure what's an alternative for Grafana in the open source world in terms of building dashboards for o11y? I'm not aware of one and Grafana is used very extensively in my company...

throwaway173738 11mo ago
We’re using Greylog+Elastic Search which would totally replace a Loki-only stack.
edoceo 11mo ago
I remember that alternative, free/FOSS products existed before Grafana (c2015) but many died, Grafana was everywhere. Now I also cannot find the old-alts. Vague memories of RRD and Nagios...
- kbenson 11mo ago
  Munin was what we used for a while, along with a smattering of smokeping. We're using a combination of Zabbix (alerting) and local Grafana/Prometheus/Loki (observability) at this point, but I've been worried about when Grafana will rug-pull for a while now. Hopefully enough people using their cloud offering sates their appetite and they leave the people running locally alone.
- linker3000 11mo ago
  I ran with Centreon for a while because you got Nagios + integrated dashboarding out of the box and a Community option. I'm out of that game now though so don't have the challenge. https://www.centreon.com/ https://www.centreon.com/
o11c 11mo ago
... ugh, they actually made an `o11[a-z]` abbreviation? When I picked this nick, the only term I ever saw in the wild was `i18n`.
- lelandfe 11mo ago
  K8s (Kubernetes), a11y (accessibility)... The kicker for me recently was hearing someone say "ally"
  - echelon 11mo ago
    a16z, l10n, s11n, Or without numbers, authC/authN, authZ...
    - scott_w 11mo ago
      I work in this area and even I don’t know what AuthC is!
      - tgv 11mo ago
        They are absurd abbreviations. The first distinguishing letter comes right after auth, so ... let's hide it?
        lelandfe 11mo ago
        The other fun thing is that authC and authZ sound identical for certain accents
      - echelon 11mo ago
        AuthN is supposed to mean authentication. The problem is that authorization also has an "n" in the word. Enter authC.
- floren 11mo ago
  i d2t s1e t1e p5m...
theteapot 11mo ago
https://github.com/opensearch-project/OpenSearch-Dashboards https://github.com/opensearch-project/OpenSearch-Dashboards (Kibana fork) is one. But Grafana is still way better if you just stay away from anything that isn't the core product: data visualization and exploration (explorer and traces).
cameldrv 11mo ago
o11y is not a word. What do you mean?
- sph 11mo ago
  Observability , in the vein of accessibility which has the silly nickname of a11y
  - tsimionescu 11mo ago
    This is all coming from stenography, it's a well established shorthand for long words: first letter, count of middle letters, last letter.
    - fanf2 11mo ago
      No, it cane from DEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym#Numerical_contractions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym#Numerical_contractio... It seems unlikely to me that stenography would use this style because they have better ways of abbreviating long agglutinative words.
  - rswail 11mo ago
    Which is similar to i18n for internationalization and l10n for localization.
  - tempaccount420 11mo ago
    > in the vein of accessibility which has the silly nickname of a11y ironically that's not very accessible...
- deleted 11mo ago
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pahae 11mo ago
I mentioned it in another reply, but https://perses.dev/ https://perses.dev/ is probably the most promising alternative. Besides that, if you're feeling masochistic you could use Prometheus' console templates or VictoriaMetrics' built-in dashboards. Though these are all obviously nowhere near as feature rich and capable as Grafana and would only be able to display metrics for the single Prom/VM node they're running on. Might enough for some users.
- 9dev 11mo ago
  How come I’ve never heard of Perses yet? A really Open Source, standardising Grafana clone to go alongside Prometheus for self-hosted deployments sounds just perfect!
  - deleted 11mo ago
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- fred_ 11mo ago
  For a hosted alternative, Dash0 also uses Perses for their dashboards. Disclaimer: I am affiliated with them.
ansgri 11mo ago
from cursory reading of the article I don’t see that author’s problems are specifically with Grafana in its best use case (metrics), but with other products from Grafana company, for which are a lot of alternatives. Grafana dashboards itself (paired with VictoriaMetrics and occasionally Clickhouse) is one of the most pleasant web apps IMO. Especially when you don’t try to push the constraints of its display model, which are sometimes annoying but understandable.
JCWasmx86 11mo ago
I use Signoz for my private purposes, it's not a 100% match, but you can do Prometheus metrics, logs analysis, dashboards, alerts, OTEL spans so depending on your usecase it can be enough
rikkert 11mo ago
I moved away from Grafana to Axiom and have not looked back
ankit01-oss 11mo ago
You can check out: https://github.com/SigNoz/signoz https://github.com/SigNoz/signoz we're opentelemetry-native and apart from many out of box charts for APM, infra monitoring, and logs, you can also build customized dashboards with lots of visualization option. p.s - i am one of the maintainers

by YZF 11mo ago

Not sure what's an alternative for Grafana in the open source world in terms of building dashboards for o11y? I'm not aware of one and Grafana is used very extensively in my company...

throwaway173738 11mo ago

We’re using Greylog+Elastic Search which would totally replace a Loki-only stack.

edoceo 11mo ago

I remember that alternative, free/FOSS products existed before Grafana (c2015) but many died, Grafana was everywhere. Now I also cannot find the old-alts. Vague memories of RRD and Nagios...

kbenson 11mo ago
Munin was what we used for a while, along with a smattering of smokeping. We're using a combination of Zabbix (alerting) and local Grafana/Prometheus/Loki (observability) at this point, but I've been worried about when Grafana will rug-pull for a while now. Hopefully enough people using their cloud offering sates their appetite and they leave the people running locally alone.
linker3000 11mo ago
I ran with Centreon for a while because you got Nagios + integrated dashboarding out of the box and a Community option. I'm out of that game now though so don't have the challenge. https://www.centreon.com/ https://www.centreon.com/

o11c 11mo ago

... ugh, they actually made an `o11[a-z]` abbreviation? When I picked this nick, the only term I ever saw in the wild was `i18n`.

lelandfe 11mo ago
K8s (Kubernetes), a11y (accessibility)... The kicker for me recently was hearing someone say "ally"
- echelon 11mo ago
  a16z, l10n, s11n, Or without numbers, authC/authN, authZ...
  - scott_w 11mo ago
    I work in this area and even I don’t know what AuthC is!
    - tgv 11mo ago
      They are absurd abbreviations. The first distinguishing letter comes right after auth, so ... let's hide it?
      - lelandfe 11mo ago
        The other fun thing is that authC and authZ sound identical for certain accents
    - echelon 11mo ago
      AuthN is supposed to mean authentication. The problem is that authorization also has an "n" in the word. Enter authC.
floren 11mo ago
i d2t s1e t1e p5m...

theteapot 11mo ago

https://github.com/opensearch-project/OpenSearch-Dashboards https://github.com/opensearch-project/OpenSearch-Dashboards (Kibana fork) is one. But Grafana is still way better if you just stay away from anything that isn't the core product: data visualization and exploration (explorer and traces).

cameldrv 11mo ago

o11y is not a word. What do you mean?

sph 11mo ago
Observability , in the vein of accessibility which has the silly nickname of a11y
- tsimionescu 11mo ago
  This is all coming from stenography, it's a well established shorthand for long words: first letter, count of middle letters, last letter.
  - fanf2 11mo ago
    No, it cane from DEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym#Numerical_contractions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym#Numerical_contractio... It seems unlikely to me that stenography would use this style because they have better ways of abbreviating long agglutinative words.
- rswail 11mo ago
  Which is similar to i18n for internationalization and l10n for localization.
- tempaccount420 11mo ago
  > in the vein of accessibility which has the silly nickname of a11y ironically that's not very accessible...
deleted 11mo ago
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pahae 11mo ago

I mentioned it in another reply, but https://perses.dev/ https://perses.dev/ is probably the most promising alternative. Besides that, if you're feeling masochistic you could use Prometheus' console templates or VictoriaMetrics' built-in dashboards. Though these are all obviously nowhere near as feature rich and capable as Grafana and would only be able to display metrics for the single Prom/VM node they're running on. Might enough for some users.

9dev 11mo ago
How come I’ve never heard of Perses yet? A really Open Source, standardising Grafana clone to go alongside Prometheus for self-hosted deployments sounds just perfect!
- deleted 11mo ago
  [deleted]
fred_ 11mo ago
For a hosted alternative, Dash0 also uses Perses for their dashboards. Disclaimer: I am affiliated with them.

ansgri 11mo ago

from cursory reading of the article I don’t see that author’s problems are specifically with Grafana in its best use case (metrics), but with other products from Grafana company, for which are a lot of alternatives. Grafana dashboards itself (paired with VictoriaMetrics and occasionally Clickhouse) is one of the most pleasant web apps IMO. Especially when you don’t try to push the constraints of its display model, which are sometimes annoying but understandable.

JCWasmx86 11mo ago

I use Signoz for my private purposes, it's not a 100% match, but you can do Prometheus metrics, logs analysis, dashboards, alerts, OTEL spans so depending on your usecase it can be enough

rikkert 11mo ago

I moved away from Grafana to Axiom and have not looked back

ankit01-oss 11mo ago

You can check out: https://github.com/SigNoz/signoz https://github.com/SigNoz/signoz we're opentelemetry-native and apart from many out of box charts for APM, infra monitoring, and logs, you can also build customized dashboards with lots of visualization option. p.s - i am one of the maintainers