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The conversation is about trying to do everyday activities inside of a combat zone. The international community's opinion about the war is, I should think this

by sebastos 11mo ago

The conversation is about trying to do everyday activities inside of a combat zone. The international community's opinion about the war is, I should think this is obvious, not the relevant factor. It doesn't matter what people think of the war, only that _there is war_. I think it's safe to say that Ukraine and Gaza are both plenty distracting places to work. That said, even though it's totally off-topic, I can't help but respond to this: >those same governments have been enabling and arming the occupier in Palestine/Gaza, and its media has pontificated that occupation, continuous ethnic cleansing and the hundreds of massacres and hostages - sorry, prisoners - is actually somehow justified I think Western governments have been quite consistent: they condemn people who start wars. If you want to be supported by the international community, don't start a war. Finishing a war is different: those governments are perfectly happy to provide arms and support to anybody — be they white and European, like the Ukrainians, or non-white and non-European, like the Israelis — so long as it's in service of fighting back against a belligerent aggressor.

andrepd 11mo ago
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- anonzzzies 11mo ago
  In the same way then that Americans as people don't exist? Or is stealing land from the natives somehow different? To what point in time you want to travel to comfortably annihilate a country and there it's people? Before the second world war; ah where was Israel again? Many lands are taken over the history of the humans: what is your great plan if you claim Ukraine is not a country but the US and israel are?
  - andrepd 11mo ago
    If it was not clear enough, I was being sarcastic. I'm applying the same logic that's widely acceptable to apply at Palestine (they started it, Israel is defending themselves, Palestine doesn't even exist), and applying it to Ukraine, which is widely unacceptable to do.
    - anonzzzies 11mo ago
      Ah, it was not clear to me :) Then I like it. Thanks for explaining; I was wondering what was going on!
      - andrepd 11mo ago
        Text is a difficult medium ahahaha
- RandomNickname 11mo ago
  So Americans also don't exist? And maybe the Russians should give their territories back to Mongols?
hashim 11mo ago
It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened, or you just don't care they did. Average Westerner knowledge of Western history, I understand. Yes, they have consistently toppled governments, meddled in the affairs of other countries, and enabled and funded colonalism and imperialism wherever they went. Although the good news is that Israel is and will be the last true Western colonial state. Also, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just forgot the wars they themselves started, like Iraq over the lie that was WMD and the small matter of 500,000 dead Iraqis - I can assure you the Western governments involved have not condemned it, but they did give Blair a Nobel Peace Prize, so that's something. Your last sentence is laughable and too historically ignorant to bother responding to, but since its AI-generated I thankfully don't need to give it that courtesy.
- int_19h 11mo ago
  > Although the good news is that Israel is and will be the last true Western colonial state. What do you think Russia is?
  - hashim 11mo ago
    You think Russia is a Western power and ally?
    - int_19h 11mo ago
      I'm Russian myself, and I think Russia is a Western (white European) colonial empire, and the largest one in terms of the sheer number of peoples and amount of territory it still occupies. Just look at the map of its administrative regions. And yes, it is indeed opposed to other Western powers. That isn't new - at the height of colonialism, European colonial powers were constantly fighting each other. That didn't make any of them any less Western.
- sebastos 11mo ago
  > It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened What it comes down to is whether you can admit that the events of October 7th provoked a new military campaign that would not otherwise have happened. You can either admit that, or you can admit that you’re just going to what-about no matter what happens, and never speak honestly about the asymmetry between the way these two sides have conducted themselves (and can be expected to continue conducting themselves).

andrepd 11mo ago

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anonzzzies 11mo ago
In the same way then that Americans as people don't exist? Or is stealing land from the natives somehow different? To what point in time you want to travel to comfortably annihilate a country and there it's people? Before the second world war; ah where was Israel again? Many lands are taken over the history of the humans: what is your great plan if you claim Ukraine is not a country but the US and israel are?
- andrepd 11mo ago
  If it was not clear enough, I was being sarcastic. I'm applying the same logic that's widely acceptable to apply at Palestine (they started it, Israel is defending themselves, Palestine doesn't even exist), and applying it to Ukraine, which is widely unacceptable to do.
  - anonzzzies 11mo ago
    Ah, it was not clear to me :) Then I like it. Thanks for explaining; I was wondering what was going on!
    - andrepd 11mo ago
      Text is a difficult medium ahahaha
RandomNickname 11mo ago
So Americans also don't exist? And maybe the Russians should give their territories back to Mongols?

hashim 11mo ago

It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened, or you just don't care they did. Average Westerner knowledge of Western history, I understand. Yes, they have consistently toppled governments, meddled in the affairs of other countries, and enabled and funded colonalism and imperialism wherever they went. Although the good news is that Israel is and will be the last true Western colonial state. Also, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just forgot the wars they themselves started, like Iraq over the lie that was WMD and the small matter of 500,000 dead Iraqis - I can assure you the Western governments involved have not condemned it, but they did give Blair a Nobel Peace Prize, so that's something. Your last sentence is laughable and too historically ignorant to bother responding to, but since its AI-generated I thankfully don't need to give it that courtesy.

int_19h 11mo ago
> Although the good news is that Israel is and will be the last true Western colonial state. What do you think Russia is?
- hashim 11mo ago
  You think Russia is a Western power and ally?
  - int_19h 11mo ago
    I'm Russian myself, and I think Russia is a Western (white European) colonial empire, and the largest one in terms of the sheer number of peoples and amount of territory it still occupies. Just look at the map of its administrative regions. And yes, it is indeed opposed to other Western powers. That isn't new - at the height of colonialism, European colonial powers were constantly fighting each other. That didn't make any of them any less Western.
sebastos 11mo ago
> It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened What it comes down to is whether you can admit that the events of October 7th provoked a new military campaign that would not otherwise have happened. You can either admit that, or you can admit that you’re just going to what-about no matter what happens, and never speak honestly about the asymmetry between the way these two sides have conducted themselves (and can be expected to continue conducting themselves).