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You are right but as German if I made that point publicly in regards to Palestine I would get arrested. I am not exaggerating It is crazy how we have dehumaniz

You are right but as German if I made that point publicly in regards to Palestine I would get arrested. I am not exaggerating It is crazy how we have dehumanized Palestinians to the point that just hinting on the fact that they might have a right to resist it completely taboo. Like you don't have to agree with their methods but expecting them to do nothing while Israel murders them and the world looks away is such a cruelty that is hard to comprehend.

Sabinus 11mo ago
I don't know about that, if settlers in the West Bank cop some violence then that's going to be considered well deserved. Soldiers of 'a government' committing murder, rape and hostage taking on a music festival is going to earn you a bit of looking away to the consequences. I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal not sacrifice everything in an eternal and vain attempt to remove Israel from the map.
- zhengiszen 11mo ago
  What about a society glorifying children murder and rape on prisoners of war ?
- cardanome 11mo ago
  > I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal Well that is what they did. People like you told shite like "The war ends if they release the hostages". They agreed to the first step of the peace plan. They released the hostages. They are keeping the truce. (Israel claims they killed a few soldiers but that seem to be a lie, they probably died from explosive that were already lying around). So what did it gain them? Israels keeps murdering them. People are still starving in Gaza because Israel refuses to let food in. > committing murder, rape and hostage taking This is what Israel has been doing for decades. We just call the hostages prisoners. While the Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could even when Gaza was starving, the bodies of the dead political prisoners Israel gave back were so mutilated from systemic torture that not even family members are able to recognize them. As for the accusation of the resistance committing systemic rape, that is just racist propaganda. Same when they justified the lynching of black people in the US with saying they raped white women. We would have video evidence if something like that had happened.
  - nandomrumber 11mo ago
    > Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could 82 of the 251 hostages taken by Hamas on Oct 7th were killed. Give ‘em hell Netanyahu.
    - cardanome 11mo ago
      Who killed them? Israeli bombs. Netanyahu cares more about murdering Palestinians than saving his own people.
    - soulofmischief 11mo ago
      It's either a gross ignorance or gross deceit to compare those numbers to the amount of civilians who have been killed during the Palestinian genocide. A terrorist attack doesn't give you the right to ignore human rights. The international criminal court has an arrest warrant for Netanyahu. He is a war criminal. Get your facts straight.
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        soulofmischief 11mo ago
        You're not going to justify colonial genocide with whataboutism. It wasn't OK when the US did it and then called natives savages as a defense for our inhuman treatment of them, and it's not OK now that Israel is doing it. No amount of whining about Hamas will change that, especially considering Netanyahu openly funded Hamas through Qatar. You act like this conflict hasn't been perpetuated for decades. It's manufactured consent, plain and simple. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... Hamas' actions are easily condemnable and doesn't need a mention, the only people who can't seem to understand that are the same people who seem to have a problem condemning Israel's actions. It is extremely easy to condemn both of them at once, if you start from an ethical, secular foundation.
nailer 11mo ago
> Like you don't have to agree with their methods but expecting them to do nothing while Israel murders them But Israel's not murdering them. The war has a very low civilian to combatant death ratio.
- shkkmo 11mo ago
  Do you have a source for "very low"? It seems liks a hard thing to measure well but as far as I can see it looks very average. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio
- cardanome 11mo ago
  According to the UN 70% of the dead are women and children There are children with sniper bullets in their bodies. This is not war, this is ethnic cleansing.
  - nailer 11mo ago
    The UN pays for schools for children to be brainwashed into suicide to kill as many Israelis as possible via UNRWA - it is not a reliable source of information.
- sa501428 11mo ago
  >80% of the dead are civilians. What world are you living in? https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/ https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-perc... (Journalist from Israel)
UltraSane 11mo ago
"they might have a right to resist " How do you define this? Killing Israel soldiers. Or killing hundreds of civilians at a concert and parading the dead body of a young woman around like a hunting trophy like Hamas did on Oct 7 2023? The main problem is that Palestinians think they can defeat Israel with force but they can't.
- jeromegv 11mo ago
  > How do you define this? Would you not try to resist if you were to live in an open-air prison like Gaza? What if you lived in the West Bank and someone came to knock on your door and tell you that settlers were now taking over your land your family has lived in for hundreds of years and the bulldozer was coming the same afternoon to destroy your house, how would you react? I never condone attacking civilians, but i can't reasonably understand what those people had to live through for decades while their neighbour get to go to the beach every weekend.
  - UltraSane 11mo ago
    The only reason Gaza is a "prison" is because Hamas staged hundreds of suicide bombings from it. ALL of the problems in Gaza are caused by Palestinians trying to defeat Israel with force when they simply can't.
ngruhn 11mo ago
> but as German if I made that point publicly in regards to Palestine I would get arrested. I am not exaggerating What are you talking about? I'm also German but nobody is getting arrested here for that. I literally walked past a pro Palestine protests 1h ago.
- cardanome 11mo ago
  They are regularly arresting people and police brutality has gotten so bad that even the international press is taking note: > Irish officials express 'concern' after Irish protestor left bloodied by police in Berlin https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-officials-express-concern-after-irish-protestor-left-bloodied-by-police-in-berlin-296905 https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-officials-express-conce... > Footage circulating on X shows police using brute force to push back protesters, with at least 28 people arrested, according to police reports. https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/crackdown-on-pro-palestinian-voices-in-germany-a-disturbing-pattern https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/crackdown-on-pro-pa... > Udi Raz, 34, is sitting in a cafe in Berlin, where he lives, reflecting on a turbulent six months. Since Israel’s war on Gaza began following the Hamas-led attacks of 7 October, Raz, an Israeli Jew raised in Haifa, has been fired from his job and had the activist group he’s part of labelled antisemitic by Germany’s official antisemitism commissioner. > Last Friday, German authorities arrested Raz, a board member of Jewish Voice for a Just Peace in the Middle East, after they cancelled and then banned the group’s three-day conference on Palestine. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-crackdown-israel-gaza-jewish-activist https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-crackdown-israel-... Yes, even Jewish people are labeled anti-semites, it is that insane.
  - ngruhn 11mo ago
    Ok so the Irish guy got punched in the face after doing that: > as O'Brien is seen calling officers 'genocide supporters' and accusing one of 'acting like a Nazi'. If you scream at peoples faces and insult them, you risk getting punched in the face. Police or not. Would be more professional to ignore that. But this is not a state systematically coming after you for voicing opinions. If you want to see a real example of that, look no further than Hamas.
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stirfish 11mo ago
>I would get arrested Have you considered getting a gun? Why or why not?
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Sabinus 11mo ago

I don't know about that, if settlers in the West Bank cop some violence then that's going to be considered well deserved. Soldiers of 'a government' committing murder, rape and hostage taking on a music festival is going to earn you a bit of looking away to the consequences. I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal not sacrifice everything in an eternal and vain attempt to remove Israel from the map.

zhengiszen 11mo ago
What about a society glorifying children murder and rape on prisoners of war ?
cardanome 11mo ago
> I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal Well that is what they did. People like you told shite like "The war ends if they release the hostages". They agreed to the first step of the peace plan. They released the hostages. They are keeping the truce. (Israel claims they killed a few soldiers but that seem to be a lie, they probably died from explosive that were already lying around). So what did it gain them? Israels keeps murdering them. People are still starving in Gaza because Israel refuses to let food in. > committing murder, rape and hostage taking This is what Israel has been doing for decades. We just call the hostages prisoners. While the Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could even when Gaza was starving, the bodies of the dead political prisoners Israel gave back were so mutilated from systemic torture that not even family members are able to recognize them. As for the accusation of the resistance committing systemic rape, that is just racist propaganda. Same when they justified the lynching of black people in the US with saying they raped white women. We would have video evidence if something like that had happened.
- nandomrumber 11mo ago
  > Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could 82 of the 251 hostages taken by Hamas on Oct 7th were killed. Give ‘em hell Netanyahu.
  - cardanome 11mo ago
    Who killed them? Israeli bombs. Netanyahu cares more about murdering Palestinians than saving his own people.
  - soulofmischief 11mo ago
    It's either a gross ignorance or gross deceit to compare those numbers to the amount of civilians who have been killed during the Palestinian genocide. A terrorist attack doesn't give you the right to ignore human rights. The international criminal court has an arrest warrant for Netanyahu. He is a war criminal. Get your facts straight.
    - nandomrumber 11mo ago
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      - soulofmischief 11mo ago
        You're not going to justify colonial genocide with whataboutism. It wasn't OK when the US did it and then called natives savages as a defense for our inhuman treatment of them, and it's not OK now that Israel is doing it. No amount of whining about Hamas will change that, especially considering Netanyahu openly funded Hamas through Qatar. You act like this conflict hasn't been perpetuated for decades. It's manufactured consent, plain and simple. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... Hamas' actions are easily condemnable and doesn't need a mention, the only people who can't seem to understand that are the same people who seem to have a problem condemning Israel's actions. It is extremely easy to condemn both of them at once, if you start from an ethical, secular foundation.

nailer 11mo ago

> Like you don't have to agree with their methods but expecting them to do nothing while Israel murders them But Israel's not murdering them. The war has a very low civilian to combatant death ratio.

shkkmo 11mo ago
Do you have a source for "very low"? It seems liks a hard thing to measure well but as far as I can see it looks very average. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio
cardanome 11mo ago
According to the UN 70% of the dead are women and children There are children with sniper bullets in their bodies. This is not war, this is ethnic cleansing.
- nailer 11mo ago
  The UN pays for schools for children to be brainwashed into suicide to kill as many Israelis as possible via UNRWA - it is not a reliable source of information.
sa501428 11mo ago
>80% of the dead are civilians. What world are you living in? https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/ https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-perc... (Journalist from Israel)

UltraSane 11mo ago

"they might have a right to resist " How do you define this? Killing Israel soldiers. Or killing hundreds of civilians at a concert and parading the dead body of a young woman around like a hunting trophy like Hamas did on Oct 7 2023? The main problem is that Palestinians think they can defeat Israel with force but they can't.

jeromegv 11mo ago
> How do you define this? Would you not try to resist if you were to live in an open-air prison like Gaza? What if you lived in the West Bank and someone came to knock on your door and tell you that settlers were now taking over your land your family has lived in for hundreds of years and the bulldozer was coming the same afternoon to destroy your house, how would you react? I never condone attacking civilians, but i can't reasonably understand what those people had to live through for decades while their neighbour get to go to the beach every weekend.
- UltraSane 11mo ago
  The only reason Gaza is a "prison" is because Hamas staged hundreds of suicide bombings from it. ALL of the problems in Gaza are caused by Palestinians trying to defeat Israel with force when they simply can't.

ngruhn 11mo ago

> but as German if I made that point publicly in regards to Palestine I would get arrested. I am not exaggerating What are you talking about? I'm also German but nobody is getting arrested here for that. I literally walked past a pro Palestine protests 1h ago.

cardanome 11mo ago
They are regularly arresting people and police brutality has gotten so bad that even the international press is taking note: > Irish officials express 'concern' after Irish protestor left bloodied by police in Berlin https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-officials-express-concern-after-irish-protestor-left-bloodied-by-police-in-berlin-296905 https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-officials-express-conce... > Footage circulating on X shows police using brute force to push back protesters, with at least 28 people arrested, according to police reports. https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/crackdown-on-pro-palestinian-voices-in-germany-a-disturbing-pattern https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/crackdown-on-pro-pa... > Udi Raz, 34, is sitting in a cafe in Berlin, where he lives, reflecting on a turbulent six months. Since Israel’s war on Gaza began following the Hamas-led attacks of 7 October, Raz, an Israeli Jew raised in Haifa, has been fired from his job and had the activist group he’s part of labelled antisemitic by Germany’s official antisemitism commissioner. > Last Friday, German authorities arrested Raz, a board member of Jewish Voice for a Just Peace in the Middle East, after they cancelled and then banned the group’s three-day conference on Palestine. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-crackdown-israel-gaza-jewish-activist https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-crackdown-israel-... Yes, even Jewish people are labeled anti-semites, it is that insane.
- ngruhn 11mo ago
  Ok so the Irish guy got punched in the face after doing that: > as O'Brien is seen calling officers 'genocide supporters' and accusing one of 'acting like a Nazi'. If you scream at peoples faces and insult them, you risk getting punched in the face. Police or not. Would be more professional to ignore that. But this is not a state systematically coming after you for voicing opinions. If you want to see a real example of that, look no further than Hamas.

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stirfish 11mo ago

>I would get arrested Have you considered getting a gun? Why or why not?

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