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The "wrong skin color" is projection of western ideologies to Israel/Gaza conflict. Israelis have lighter skin Ashkenazi Jews, darker skin Mizrahi Jews(majorit

by vladgur 11mo ago

The "wrong skin color" is projection of western ideologies to Israel/Gaza conflict. Israelis have lighter skin Ashkenazi Jews, darker skin Mizrahi Jews(majority of hte jews in Israel now) and black Ethiopian jews. And of course 20%+ Arabs living in the country. Gazan Palestinians skin color varies as well, some have light skin, while others have darker skin tones. For example, does this woman have the right skin color or the wrong one: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Ahed_Tamimi_2018.jpg/800px-Ahed_Tamimi_2018.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Ah...

wahnfrieden 11mo ago
Despite that, isn't there a history of compulsive violence based on skin-based profiling? These are facts, not ideology. 2 off-duty soldiers assaulted after being mistaken for Arabs https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-off-duty-soldiers-assaulted-after-being-mistaken-for-arabs/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-off-duty-soldiers-assaulted-... Live TV shows Israeli mob attack motorist they believed to be an Arab https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/live-tv-shows-israeli-mob-lynch-motorist-in-tel-aviv-suburb https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/live-tv-shows-... Israeli soldier kills Jewish civilian in 'identity mishap' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34602287 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34602287 3 hostages killed by Israeli soldier in Gaza were waving a white flag, Israel says https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mistakenly-kill-hostages-gaza https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mi... Israeli Civilian Killed by Israeli Soldier after Being Mistaken for Palestinian https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-civilian-killed-by-israeli-soldier-after-being-mistaken-for-palestinian/ https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-civilian-killed-b... And from Wikipedia: > The Israeli Security Forces use racial profiling at military checkpoints and during some of the duties they perform. In August 2017 Haaretz reported that security guards working for a company which provides security at Tel Aviv's Central Bus Station said they were instructed to demand ID from people who look Arab and detain those who do not have an ID with them. OP said that Israelis beat people up for having the wrong skin color. The one I replied to said that is wrong and is a projection of western ideology. But it does not appear to be wrong in reality - OP was correct.
- vladgur 11mo ago
  Dont these show that skin-based profiling doesnt work in Israel -- Jews and Arabs are being mistaken for each other. Not sure what the Florida example has to do with anything though. Here are some similar headlines: Palestinians remove Muslim from al-Aqsa after confusing him for a Jew https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-692563 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-692563 Palestinian stabs Arab Israeli bus driver thinking he was a Jew https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-charged-over-petah-tikva-stabbing-attack/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-charged-over-petah...
mef51 11mo ago
The colonization of Gaza and the West Bank is entirely driven by western interests and ideology. Namely Zionism[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
- UltraSane 11mo ago
  No Jews live in Gaza.
  - immibis 11mo ago
    Israelis live in Palestine though - it's just that any area they live gets renamed from "Palestine" to "Israel", usually accompanied by heavily artillery fire and drone strikes, to clear out the natives.
    - UltraSane 11mo ago
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    - vladgur 11mo ago
      I wish more people were upfront with the truth like you are. A very sensible interpretation of your words is a) All land between Jordan river and mediterranean sea should be called Palestine b) only Arabs are natives of that lands. Here b) is plainly wrong -- Both arabs and jews continuously lived in that area for hundreds and for Jews -- thousands -- of years. and a) implies that the state of Israel does not have a right to exist. This basically a two sentence version of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" slogan where its clear that we are not talking about West Bank and Gaza, but rather the entire land including Israel. THanks for clarifying it
      - immibis 11mo ago
        I didn't say Jews. You said Jews. I said Israelis. I don't care what their religion is - bombing all the hospitals and universities in a region and drone striking little babies is terrible horrible no no very bad stuff. By the way, if we're talking about tribalism, the distant descendants of the Jews who lived in that area thousands of years ago, are (largely) the Palestinians. The modern Israelis are (largely) an entirely separate group of white Europeans that immigrated from Europe after WW2.
School-Cotton 11mo ago
There are also black people in Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians
- klipt 11mo ago
  > racism within Palestinian communities. Of course
LightBug1 11mo ago
Projection? Really? ... Do a little research into how black Ethiopian Jews were given birth control shots without their consent or knowledge.

by vladgur 11mo ago

wahnfrieden 11mo ago

Despite that, isn't there a history of compulsive violence based on skin-based profiling? These are facts, not ideology. 2 off-duty soldiers assaulted after being mistaken for Arabs https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-off-duty-soldiers-assaulted-after-being-mistaken-for-arabs/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-off-duty-soldiers-assaulted-... Live TV shows Israeli mob attack motorist they believed to be an Arab https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/live-tv-shows-israeli-mob-lynch-motorist-in-tel-aviv-suburb https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/live-tv-shows-... Israeli soldier kills Jewish civilian in 'identity mishap' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34602287 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34602287 3 hostages killed by Israeli soldier in Gaza were waving a white flag, Israel says https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mistakenly-kill-hostages-gaza https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mi... Israeli Civilian Killed by Israeli Soldier after Being Mistaken for Palestinian https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-civilian-killed-by-israeli-soldier-after-being-mistaken-for-palestinian/ https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-civilian-killed-b... And from Wikipedia: > The Israeli Security Forces use racial profiling at military checkpoints and during some of the duties they perform. In August 2017 Haaretz reported that security guards working for a company which provides security at Tel Aviv's Central Bus Station said they were instructed to demand ID from people who look Arab and detain those who do not have an ID with them. OP said that Israelis beat people up for having the wrong skin color. The one I replied to said that is wrong and is a projection of western ideology. But it does not appear to be wrong in reality - OP was correct.

vladgur 11mo ago
Dont these show that skin-based profiling doesnt work in Israel -- Jews and Arabs are being mistaken for each other. Not sure what the Florida example has to do with anything though. Here are some similar headlines: Palestinians remove Muslim from al-Aqsa after confusing him for a Jew https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-692563 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-692563 Palestinian stabs Arab Israeli bus driver thinking he was a Jew https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-charged-over-petah-tikva-stabbing-attack/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-charged-over-petah...

mef51 11mo ago

The colonization of Gaza and the West Bank is entirely driven by western interests and ideology. Namely Zionism[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

UltraSane 11mo ago
No Jews live in Gaza.
- immibis 11mo ago
  Israelis live in Palestine though - it's just that any area they live gets renamed from "Palestine" to "Israel", usually accompanied by heavily artillery fire and drone strikes, to clear out the natives.
  - UltraSane 11mo ago
    [flagged]
  - vladgur 11mo ago
    I wish more people were upfront with the truth like you are. A very sensible interpretation of your words is a) All land between Jordan river and mediterranean sea should be called Palestine b) only Arabs are natives of that lands. Here b) is plainly wrong -- Both arabs and jews continuously lived in that area for hundreds and for Jews -- thousands -- of years. and a) implies that the state of Israel does not have a right to exist. This basically a two sentence version of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" slogan where its clear that we are not talking about West Bank and Gaza, but rather the entire land including Israel. THanks for clarifying it
    - immibis 11mo ago
      I didn't say Jews. You said Jews. I said Israelis. I don't care what their religion is - bombing all the hospitals and universities in a region and drone striking little babies is terrible horrible no no very bad stuff. By the way, if we're talking about tribalism, the distant descendants of the Jews who lived in that area thousands of years ago, are (largely) the Palestinians. The modern Israelis are (largely) an entirely separate group of white Europeans that immigrated from Europe after WW2.

School-Cotton 11mo ago

There are also black people in Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians

klipt 11mo ago
> racism within Palestinian communities. Of course

LightBug1 11mo ago

Projection? Really? ... Do a little research into how black Ethiopian Jews were given birth control shots without their consent or knowledge.