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Denmark has a month and a half as EU presidency to go. I still don't get why they want this to be their legacy so badly.
by mrtksn 1y ago
Denmark has a month and a half as EU presidency to go. I still don't get why they want this to be their legacy so badly.
- throw-qqqqq 1y agoDenmark mostly has authoritative politicians in government. Pragmatic and without ideology. The misguided tools believe they are doing us all a big favor. They handwavingly dismiss all privacy-related criticism with “well our experts say something else!” and insist there are no privacy issues - but at the same time require exemption for their own caste.
- dmix 1y agoThe EU and European parliaments are very much on the technocracy side, where they defer to experts and studies for everything instead of focusing on the popular interests of the public https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy
- squigz 1y agoLook at America to see what happens when things are decided based on the popular interests vs actual data and expertise.
- throw-qqqqq 1y agoI would not categorize Denmark as particularly technocratic, on the contrary. Many politicians here go against science and research because “I simply disagree”. Populism largely runs Denmark.
- Y-bar 1y agoDenmark is a strange nation with regards to liberty and personal belongings: https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/4963/Denmark:-Exempting-Ukrainians-from-jewelry-law-while-applying-it-to-others-is-outright-discrimination https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/4963/Denmark:-Exemptin...
- throw-qqqqq 1y agoThis was done to appease the racist voters, who are unfortunately a relatively big factor here. The law was installed in 2016, (colloquially called “Smykkeloven”/The Jewelry Law) after Syrian refugees walked up through Europe and Denmark, and a myth arose about super rich refugees with bags full of gold.. in 2022 this law had been used in 17 instances. I cannot roll my eyes enough at the policians here.
- eastbound 1y agoDenmark is pretty famous for the fact that people consider themselves pretty centrist and moderate, while the policies they implement, each analyzed separately, are the most leftist of all the EU on all modern topics (ie not classical communism of course - just climate change, women, immigration etc). But when you’re surrounded with likeminded people and little diversity of the press, it sounds logical.
- throw-qqqqq 1y agoI respectfully disagree that Denmark is left-leaning wrt. immigration. 20-30 years ago that was true, today not at all. From https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2lknr2d3go.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2lknr2d3go.amp “UK seeks Danish inspiration to shake up immigration system” “Shabana Mahmood will model some of her new measures on the Danish system - seen as one of the toughest in Europe.”
- zelphirkalt 1y agoPresumably someone is paying really well to push this over and over again.
- thewebguyd 1y agoThere are monied interests and special interest groups behind it. No matter who is at the head, it will continue to be pushed by these interests. Europol, Julie Cordua (CEO of Thorn), Cathal Delaney, former Europol who now is on Thorn's board, Alan Parker, billionaire and founder of the Oak Foundation that's been bankrolling the fake charities lobbying for chat control, Chris Cohn, another billionaire and hedge fund manager who has been funding anti-encryption lobbying in both the US and the EU, Sarah Gardner, former Thorn employee and part of the network of fake charities lobbying to ban encryption. SHe also focuses on lobbying in the US as well, and Maciej Szpunnar, Polish Advocate General and the European court of justice, wants to use chat control for prosecuting copyright infringement. And don't forget Peter Hummelgaard: "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communite on encrypted messaging services." So you have a few billionaires running lobbying organizations disguised as fake "for the children" charities that operate in both the EU and the US, Europol, and a group of powerful people that are fundamentally opposed to privacy.
- phba 1y agoAdding to that from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(organization) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(organization): > Thorn works with a group of technology partners who serve the organization as members of the Technology Task Force. The goal of the program includes developing technological barriers and initiatives to ensure the safety of children online and deter sexual predators on the Internet. > Various corporate members of the task force include Facebook, Google, Irdeto, Microsoft, Mozilla, Palantir, Salesforce Foundation, Symantec, and Twitter. Apparently Thorn scratched that list from their current website, but the Wiki page has an archive link.
- thewebguyd 1y agoWorth noting that Thorn also makes scanning software and would stand to profit greatly from chat control. As with all these types of legislation, always follow the money.
- WinstonSmith84 1y agoGenuine question: is that Denmark reintroducing this proposal? It's not clear when it's mentioned "the EU commission's revised proposal..." - and second question, if it's "Denmark", who from Denmark has the authority to do so? Any elected Danish member from the EU council?
- Muromec 1y agoEU council works like US senate worked before senators were elected. So the right answer for who is Danish PM. Not to be confused with EU parliament which is elected by popular vote and EU comission, which is the executive branch of EU and us voted in by Parliament
- throw-qqqqq 1y agoDenmark holds the EU Presidency. That means they chair the Council of the EU, set the agenda, organize meetings, and drive forward legislative work in that period.