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> Oddly, tameness has also long been associated with traits such as a shorter face, a smaller head, floppy ears and white patches on fur—a pattern that Charles

by jakogut 11mo ago

> Oddly, tameness has also long been associated with traits such as a shorter face, a smaller head, floppy ears and white patches on fur—a pattern that Charles Darwin noted in the 1800s. Hmm, so evolutionary pressure of existing around humans makes animals cuter. I wonder why we find these features endearing?

forinti 11mo ago
I would bet on Paedomorphism, because we find babies and puppies cute.
- scotty79 11mo ago
  Experiment in taming foxes that relied on a single principle of selecting animals that react to humans with least fear and aggression resulted also in those morphological changes. I think it's more about selecting animals that retain youthful curiosity and other traits into their adult life. Youthful morphological features just tag along.
zamalek 11mo ago
My guess: possibly co-evolution. The article subsequently describes the genetics behind things becoming cute - which would have been completely benign to our ancestors (the core of your question). However, those of our ancestors who completed domestication of these animals (by random chance) would have enjoyed more protection from predators, rodents, etc. Those of our ancestors who attempted to domesticate things without the mutations might have had bad companions at best, and would have been predated at worst. This would have provided evolutionary pressure to adopt animals that were showing early signs of domestication. What we call "cute" is merely "likely to cooperate with us."
burnt-resistor 11mo ago
Animal Auditions: Cute vs. Food - Denis Leary https://youtu.be/IZBAtd9rty8 https://youtu.be/IZBAtd9rty8 Perhaps a combination of adaptableness, small size, prodigious reproduction, and cuteness saved some species from being wiped out whereas other species didn't fare so well once humans arrived and transformed their territory. Adapt to urban encroachment or face extinction.
- chrisweekly 11mo ago
  Reminds me of signs like "Rabbits for sale: pets or food"
nom 11mo ago
> I wonder why we find these features endearing It's a side effect, evolution made sure we take care of our offspring.
sdwr 11mo ago
I believe the main biological lever is retaining juvenile features as adults, physically as well as mentally (like with dogs). What we see as cute is an honest signal that they are more child-like: less aggressive, more trusting and pro-social.
- LeifCarrotson 11mo ago
  I also think that this is the central cause of a wide variety of domestic/cute adaptations. There are too many separate features to believe that raccoons and dogs and cats and a dozen other species all select for these same elements independently. I no longer have the book on hand, but read a few months ago that this correlation between juvenile traits and domestication was one of the main theses of Barrett's "Supernormal Stimuli" in Chapter 4. She cited a few studies of fox domestication [1], [2] and other works to support these theories. [1]: https://courses.washington.edu/anmind/Trut%20on%20the%20Russian%20fox%20expt%20-%20Amer%20Sci%201999.pdf https://courses.washington.edu/anmind/Trut%20on%20the%20Russ... [2] https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(05)01327-8 https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(05)...
- skeezyjefferson 11mo ago
  animals werent kept as pets until recently - they were all (dogs, livestock etc, cats technically) working animals.
dvh 11mo ago
I thought it's because adrenalin and melatonin are produced in the same brain region, or something like that.
nine_k 11mo ago
Since humans associate cuteness with large eyes and small body size, nocturnal / twilight animals, like raccoons, sugar gliders, cats, squirrels, etc have a larger chance to be domesticated as pets. Daytime, larger animals (e.g. sheep, goats, or even rabbits) have a larger chance to be domesticated as food.
breakpointalpha 11mo ago
I've heard that the same process of domestication towards "cuteness" has been outlined in human evolution too. Larger head-size relative to the body, larger eyes, smaller jaws and noses, longer limbs, etc. Interesting parallels across species towards less aggression, greater pro-social behavior, more physical traits that shout "trust me, I'm harmless." Almost like pro-social, intelligent team co-operation is a huge advantage compared to solo predatory behavior.
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I_AM_A_SMURF 11mo ago
We're programmed to take care of (human) babies. That's pretty fundamental to our species survival. Those features activates the same areas of our brain that babies' faces activate. Feeling that something is "cute" is the evolutionary way that our brain is using to make us care of our kids.
- actionfromafar 11mo ago
  Put slightly differently, they look cute because we are all mammals and they are cute.

by jakogut 11mo ago

forinti 11mo ago

I would bet on Paedomorphism, because we find babies and puppies cute.

scotty79 11mo ago
Experiment in taming foxes that relied on a single principle of selecting animals that react to humans with least fear and aggression resulted also in those morphological changes. I think it's more about selecting animals that retain youthful curiosity and other traits into their adult life. Youthful morphological features just tag along.

zamalek 11mo ago

My guess: possibly co-evolution. The article subsequently describes the genetics behind things becoming cute - which would have been completely benign to our ancestors (the core of your question). However, those of our ancestors who completed domestication of these animals (by random chance) would have enjoyed more protection from predators, rodents, etc. Those of our ancestors who attempted to domesticate things without the mutations might have had bad companions at best, and would have been predated at worst. This would have provided evolutionary pressure to adopt animals that were showing early signs of domestication. What we call "cute" is merely "likely to cooperate with us."

burnt-resistor 11mo ago

Animal Auditions: Cute vs. Food - Denis Leary https://youtu.be/IZBAtd9rty8 https://youtu.be/IZBAtd9rty8 Perhaps a combination of adaptableness, small size, prodigious reproduction, and cuteness saved some species from being wiped out whereas other species didn't fare so well once humans arrived and transformed their territory. Adapt to urban encroachment or face extinction.

chrisweekly 11mo ago
Reminds me of signs like "Rabbits for sale: pets or food"

nom 11mo ago

> I wonder why we find these features endearing It's a side effect, evolution made sure we take care of our offspring.

sdwr 11mo ago

I believe the main biological lever is retaining juvenile features as adults, physically as well as mentally (like with dogs). What we see as cute is an honest signal that they are more child-like: less aggressive, more trusting and pro-social.

LeifCarrotson 11mo ago
I also think that this is the central cause of a wide variety of domestic/cute adaptations. There are too many separate features to believe that raccoons and dogs and cats and a dozen other species all select for these same elements independently. I no longer have the book on hand, but read a few months ago that this correlation between juvenile traits and domestication was one of the main theses of Barrett's "Supernormal Stimuli" in Chapter 4. She cited a few studies of fox domestication [1], [2] and other works to support these theories. [1]: https://courses.washington.edu/anmind/Trut%20on%20the%20Russian%20fox%20expt%20-%20Amer%20Sci%201999.pdf https://courses.washington.edu/anmind/Trut%20on%20the%20Russ... [2] https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(05)01327-8 https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(05)...
skeezyjefferson 11mo ago
animals werent kept as pets until recently - they were all (dogs, livestock etc, cats technically) working animals.

dvh 11mo ago

I thought it's because adrenalin and melatonin are produced in the same brain region, or something like that.

nine_k 11mo ago

Since humans associate cuteness with large eyes and small body size, nocturnal / twilight animals, like raccoons, sugar gliders, cats, squirrels, etc have a larger chance to be domesticated as pets. Daytime, larger animals (e.g. sheep, goats, or even rabbits) have a larger chance to be domesticated as food.

breakpointalpha 11mo ago

I've heard that the same process of domestication towards "cuteness" has been outlined in human evolution too. Larger head-size relative to the body, larger eyes, smaller jaws and noses, longer limbs, etc. Interesting parallels across species towards less aggression, greater pro-social behavior, more physical traits that shout "trust me, I'm harmless." Almost like pro-social, intelligent team co-operation is a huge advantage compared to solo predatory behavior.

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I_AM_A_SMURF 11mo ago

We're programmed to take care of (human) babies. That's pretty fundamental to our species survival. Those features activates the same areas of our brain that babies' faces activate. Feeling that something is "cute" is the evolutionary way that our brain is using to make us care of our kids.

actionfromafar 11mo ago
Put slightly differently, they look cute because we are all mammals and they are cute.