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Maybe the first temporally, but Israel has been killing anyone who looks like they're trying to put a phone within reach of a cell tower. The genocide survivors

Maybe the first temporally, but Israel has been killing anyone who looks like they're trying to put a phone within reach of a cell tower. The genocide survivors have last I heard learned that they needed to raise their phones in buckets attached to ropes, so that when they're identified and destroyed, they won't be killed.

breppp 11mo ago
most of the gazan population has a cellphone, which has had reception most of the war. So assuming using one puts you in risk is false. About your second story, that sounds implausible, anything more substantial?
- whatshisface 11mo ago
  Here's an article I found on Google that contains the claim about strikes associated with preventing civilian communication. Note the "physically high places." The story about the buckets fits within that frame. (My original source was an article I saw on HN; unfortunately Google's performance on search queries related to this subject is very poor, so it isn't easy to find again. I should have been saving them...) > Hassan Saeed Barakat, the father of one victim of the Israeli bombing, told the Euro-Med Monitorteam that dozens of people had gathered to attempt to contact their family members when an Israeli drone launched a surprise missile attack. The attack directly targeted the tent being used as an Internet distribution point, causing the massive and deadly explosion. > Instead of accessing the Internet via electronic SIMcards, Palestinian civilians have recently been turning to these random distribution points and physically high places to try to access communication networks due to the systematic and widespread destruction of civilian objects by Israeli forces in the Strip. With the destruction of mobile phone network transmission stations, Palestinians are struggling to communicate. https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-israel-commits-another-massacre-against-civilians-trying-access-communications-and-internet-services-enar https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...
  - breppp 11mo ago
    I am not sure about your source. apart from blaming Israel with falsehoods such as organ theft, it has well known ties to Hamas https://ngo-monitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Kahel-and-Abdu.png https://ngo-monitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Kahel-and... Here its founding team posing next to Hamas leader. Even if we take it in face value it does not show Israeli repression of Palestinian speech in Gaza, while Hamas has been regularly executing and torturing over speech
    - whatshisface 11mo ago
      I saw other sources on Google, and a lot about Israel striking civilian telecom infrastructure (so many that the strikes on individuals were getting buried), so if you are interested in their approach you could look. There is a lot of "state department" pressure not to report the worst crimes, so unfortunately only headlines like "strike kills several sleeping families," which do not provoke a lot of public response at this point, are easy to find. To get information about the strategy that Israel is using to minimize international pressure, you need to be looking on the fourth pages of search results, unfortunately.
    - ImPostingOnHN 11mo ago
      I am not sure about your source. It looks like it is biased and promotes falsehoods: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ngo-monitor-bias/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ngo-monitor-bias/ > Overall, we rate the NGO Monitor Right biased based on support for the right-wing Israeli government. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on the consistent promotion of pro-Israeli propaganda.
      - breppp 11mo ago
        maybe, even though NGO monitor is not associated with a terrorist organization , however that's still a photo, unless you claim it is doctored or the people themselves are not the people purported. That's why we can go to the original in Facebook and see the chairman of EuroMed tagged, https://www.facebook.com/DrArafatShoukri/photos/t.100053795191625/356066831115475/?type=3 https://www.facebook.com/DrArafatShoukri/photos/t.1000537951...

breppp 11mo ago

most of the gazan population has a cellphone, which has had reception most of the war. So assuming using one puts you in risk is false. About your second story, that sounds implausible, anything more substantial?

whatshisface 11mo ago
Here's an article I found on Google that contains the claim about strikes associated with preventing civilian communication. Note the "physically high places." The story about the buckets fits within that frame. (My original source was an article I saw on HN; unfortunately Google's performance on search queries related to this subject is very poor, so it isn't easy to find again. I should have been saving them...) > Hassan Saeed Barakat, the father of one victim of the Israeli bombing, told the Euro-Med Monitorteam that dozens of people had gathered to attempt to contact their family members when an Israeli drone launched a surprise missile attack. The attack directly targeted the tent being used as an Internet distribution point, causing the massive and deadly explosion. > Instead of accessing the Internet via electronic SIMcards, Palestinian civilians have recently been turning to these random distribution points and physically high places to try to access communication networks due to the systematic and widespread destruction of civilian objects by Israeli forces in the Strip. With the destruction of mobile phone network transmission stations, Palestinians are struggling to communicate. https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-israel-commits-another-massacre-against-civilians-trying-access-communications-and-internet-services-enar https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...
- breppp 11mo ago
  I am not sure about your source. apart from blaming Israel with falsehoods such as organ theft, it has well known ties to Hamas https://ngo-monitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Kahel-and-Abdu.png https://ngo-monitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Kahel-and... Here its founding team posing next to Hamas leader. Even if we take it in face value it does not show Israeli repression of Palestinian speech in Gaza, while Hamas has been regularly executing and torturing over speech
  - whatshisface 11mo ago
    I saw other sources on Google, and a lot about Israel striking civilian telecom infrastructure (so many that the strikes on individuals were getting buried), so if you are interested in their approach you could look. There is a lot of "state department" pressure not to report the worst crimes, so unfortunately only headlines like "strike kills several sleeping families," which do not provoke a lot of public response at this point, are easy to find. To get information about the strategy that Israel is using to minimize international pressure, you need to be looking on the fourth pages of search results, unfortunately.
  - ImPostingOnHN 11mo ago
    I am not sure about your source. It looks like it is biased and promotes falsehoods: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ngo-monitor-bias/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ngo-monitor-bias/ > Overall, we rate the NGO Monitor Right biased based on support for the right-wing Israeli government. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on the consistent promotion of pro-Israeli propaganda.
    - breppp 11mo ago
      maybe, even though NGO monitor is not associated with a terrorist organization , however that's still a photo, unless you claim it is doctored or the people themselves are not the people purported. That's why we can go to the original in Facebook and see the chairman of EuroMed tagged, https://www.facebook.com/DrArafatShoukri/photos/t.100053795191625/356066831115475/?type=3 https://www.facebook.com/DrArafatShoukri/photos/t.1000537951...