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Well, no, you can't play it because the source code doesn't include assets like the 3d models and textures and levels and sound files. You need to acquire those

Well, no, you can't play it because the source code doesn't include assets like the 3d models and textures and levels and sound files. You need to acquire those some other way if you want to build a playable version of the game. It's like GZDoom, you have to supply your own copy of DOOM.WAD

dfxm12 11mo ago
I hope you aren't suggesting the only way to play the game is to build it yourself first. This is not the case.
- sidewndr46 11mo ago
  No he's stating that getting the executable is the easy part.
- babypuncher 11mo ago
  That isn't at all what they are saying. They are saying that you need to provide all the game assets. Exactly like you do if you want to play the original Doom with modern source ports. Since the game is not available to buy, this means either pulling those assets from an original retail copy, or pirating them.
  - dfxm12 11mo ago
    Since the game is not available to buy, this means either pulling those assets from an original retail copy, or pirating them. Even if you don't want to pirate it, there are lots of copies for multiple platforms available to buy just on eBay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - sharkjacobs 11mo ago
      > preservation & the ability to actually play a 25 year old game is more important than its capitalization > Even if you don't want to pirate it, there are lots of copies for multiple platforms available to buy just on eBay. This feels like a contradictory position. On the one hand the important thing is the preservation and availability of a work. On the other hand it's okay if the it is only available as 20+ year old used copies and pirated copies. And any preservation or restoration project is under the shadow of 3 companies (Warner Bros., Activision, and 20th Century Fox) which have all recently "complained that they may have rights to [NOLF] and may sue over it"
      - stavros 11mo ago
        That a company should be able to profit from something they made 20 years ago (and didn't touch since) feels wrong.
        wiseowise 11mo ago
        I don’t think they’re even profiting from it anymore. This is just grifting at this point. “We made it, you’ve enjoyed it and now fuck off”
        autoexec 11mo ago
        They like it when old games are unplayable because if gamers can't find or play the old games they'll have to pay (and pay more) for their newest games. Why compete with your own back catalog? Especially when your old game isn't full of bullshit like day one DLC, lootboxes, season passes, and microtransactions.
        johnebgd 11mo ago
        My first reaction to the steam machine was “you’ll own nothing and be happy about it” but yeah everyone seems happy about it… I like how old games were sold on physical cartridges or discs. Much more fun to know the experience can be relived. Kids growing up today will never have nostalgic experiences in their middle aged years since so many games are internet linked and drm locked.
      - wiseowise 11mo ago
        > On the one hand the important thing is the preservation and availability of a work. On the other hand it's okay if the it is only available as 20+ year old used copies and pirated copies. And any preservation or restoration project is under the shadow of 3 companies (Warner Bros., Activision, and 20th Century Fox) which have all recently "complained that they may have rights to [NOLF] and may sue over it" No, it’s not. Warner, Activision and 20th Century can collectively suck my balls and lick deez nuts. Literally no one benefits from this.
  - chongli 11mo ago
    Since the game is not available to buy, this means either pulling those assets from an original retail copy, or pirating them. Not true [1]. It’s available on a bunch of platforms! [1] https://doom.bethesda.net/en-US/doom_doomii https://doom.bethesda.net/en-US/doom_doomii
    - wartijn_ 11mo ago
      “the game” is No One Lives Forever, not Doom
      - chongli 11mo ago
        Let me quote the person I was replying to for you: Exactly like you do if you want to play the original Doom with modern source ports. Since the game is not available to buy, this means either pulling those assets from an original retail copy, or pirating them. They are clearly stating that Doom is also not available to buy, which is not true.
        abanana 11mo ago
        In the post you were replying to, perhaps inserting a paragraph break before "Since the game..." might help, more than selectively quoting from it. It might then be more clear that the phrase "the game" is referring to the same game both times it's used.
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anthk 11mo ago
Except that you can get FreeDOOM as a replacement, even for PWADs: https://freedoom.github.io https://freedoom.github.io Get a daily build.
- immibis 11mo ago
  It's a different game. It may be technically compatible with other WADs and that's useful, but if the point is to actually play Doom, your idea is basically like when I once observed people around me downloading illegal video files and I wondered why they didn't just download Big Buck Bunny instead. (I was in middle school and not into movies)
  - anthk 11mo ago
    Is not so different in the end. Also, the game data it's made in a way so PWADs and total conversion stay totally coherent with texturing and world building. Playing for instance, Strain and such with FreeDoom.wad as the main IWADs yields the same experience. Ditto with Back To Saturn X.
skhr0680 11mo ago
I’m sure they are really hard to find for free on the internet
- foobarchu 11mo ago
  At that point you should just pirate the game, and in that case why are we even discussing source code availability?

dfxm12 11mo ago

I hope you aren't suggesting the only way to play the game is to build it yourself first. This is not the case.

sidewndr46 11mo ago
No he's stating that getting the executable is the easy part.
babypuncher 11mo ago
That isn't at all what they are saying. They are saying that you need to provide all the game assets. Exactly like you do if you want to play the original Doom with modern source ports. Since the game is not available to buy, this means either pulling those assets from an original retail copy, or pirating them.
- dfxm12 11mo ago
  Since the game is not available to buy, this means either pulling those assets from an original retail copy, or pirating them. Even if you don't want to pirate it, there are lots of copies for multiple platforms available to buy just on eBay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - sharkjacobs 11mo ago
    > preservation & the ability to actually play a 25 year old game is more important than its capitalization > Even if you don't want to pirate it, there are lots of copies for multiple platforms available to buy just on eBay. This feels like a contradictory position. On the one hand the important thing is the preservation and availability of a work. On the other hand it's okay if the it is only available as 20+ year old used copies and pirated copies. And any preservation or restoration project is under the shadow of 3 companies (Warner Bros., Activision, and 20th Century Fox) which have all recently "complained that they may have rights to [NOLF] and may sue over it"
    - stavros 11mo ago
      That a company should be able to profit from something they made 20 years ago (and didn't touch since) feels wrong.
      - wiseowise 11mo ago
        I don’t think they’re even profiting from it anymore. This is just grifting at this point. “We made it, you’ve enjoyed it and now fuck off”
        autoexec 11mo ago
        They like it when old games are unplayable because if gamers can't find or play the old games they'll have to pay (and pay more) for their newest games. Why compete with your own back catalog? Especially when your old game isn't full of bullshit like day one DLC, lootboxes, season passes, and microtransactions.
        johnebgd 11mo ago
        My first reaction to the steam machine was “you’ll own nothing and be happy about it” but yeah everyone seems happy about it… I like how old games were sold on physical cartridges or discs. Much more fun to know the experience can be relived. Kids growing up today will never have nostalgic experiences in their middle aged years since so many games are internet linked and drm locked.
    - wiseowise 11mo ago
      > On the one hand the important thing is the preservation and availability of a work. On the other hand it's okay if the it is only available as 20+ year old used copies and pirated copies. And any preservation or restoration project is under the shadow of 3 companies (Warner Bros., Activision, and 20th Century Fox) which have all recently "complained that they may have rights to [NOLF] and may sue over it" No, it’s not. Warner, Activision and 20th Century can collectively suck my balls and lick deez nuts. Literally no one benefits from this.
- chongli 11mo ago
  Since the game is not available to buy, this means either pulling those assets from an original retail copy, or pirating them. Not true [1]. It’s available on a bunch of platforms! [1] https://doom.bethesda.net/en-US/doom_doomii https://doom.bethesda.net/en-US/doom_doomii
  - wartijn_ 11mo ago
    “the game” is No One Lives Forever, not Doom
    - chongli 11mo ago
      Let me quote the person I was replying to for you: Exactly like you do if you want to play the original Doom with modern source ports. Since the game is not available to buy, this means either pulling those assets from an original retail copy, or pirating them. They are clearly stating that Doom is also not available to buy, which is not true.
      - abanana 11mo ago
        In the post you were replying to, perhaps inserting a paragraph break before "Since the game..." might help, more than selectively quoting from it. It might then be more clear that the phrase "the game" is referring to the same game both times it's used.
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anthk 11mo ago

Except that you can get FreeDOOM as a replacement, even for PWADs: https://freedoom.github.io https://freedoom.github.io Get a daily build.

immibis 11mo ago
It's a different game. It may be technically compatible with other WADs and that's useful, but if the point is to actually play Doom, your idea is basically like when I once observed people around me downloading illegal video files and I wondered why they didn't just download Big Buck Bunny instead. (I was in middle school and not into movies)
- anthk 11mo ago
  Is not so different in the end. Also, the game data it's made in a way so PWADs and total conversion stay totally coherent with texturing and world building. Playing for instance, Strain and such with FreeDoom.wad as the main IWADs yields the same experience. Ditto with Back To Saturn X.

skhr0680 11mo ago

I’m sure they are really hard to find for free on the internet

foobarchu 11mo ago
At that point you should just pirate the game, and in that case why are we even discussing source code availability?