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While I get it, I disagree with some of the premise... especially the idea of working two jobs. My dad has worked multiple jobs at a time when I was growing up

While I get it, I disagree with some of the premise... especially the idea of working two jobs. My dad has worked multiple jobs at a time when I was growing up... I've worked multiple jobs at a time as recently as this year. Now, I'm getting old (50yo) and really couldn't handle it as well as I could in my 20s, but I still did it. It's not a permanent solution, but it's not a bad thing to do when you need to in order to pull ahead. For that matter, self study and personal advancement. It's hard to get into some jobs as an autodidact... I've been a software developer for going on three decades without a formal education. There are plenty of times I can't get through the HR screening alone. That doesn't mean you don't try, or don't put in effort to improve your position in life or yourself. I get being broke and poor... I grew up relatively poor. It sucks. I also worked very hard to get where I am. It's not always where I want to be, but that's life to an extent. My opinions don't always align with everyone else though... I just don't like the idea of giving up, or not putting in extra effort when it's an option to pull you ahead. I say this having spent about a year out of the past 3 years without regular income and massively in debt with medical issues I cannot cover, and cannot currently afford insurance (due to debt payments). It sucks, and I can't change the past... I can only put in the effort I need to improve the future.

JohnMakin 1y ago
Lots of low skill jobs have constantly shifting schedules given at the last possible minute (day by day sometimes) that don’t necessarily allow the time luxury of juggling multiple jobs. Fast food is a great example.
- tracker1 1y ago
  Not sure about that even.. in my late teens I worked fast food and as a clerical temp worker (I could type fast) for data entry/processing. The fast food job didn't have an issue scheduling me just in the evenings/weekends. A lot of employers are pretty understanding if you have multiple jobs and will work around your needs as much as possible.
  - JohnMakin 1y ago
    I mean, you can not be sure all you want, but I promise you it’s this way - know from personal experience. it’s even been written about: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/28/economy/retail-fast-food-workers-jobs-schedules https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/28/economy/retail-fast-food-work...
  - mrguyorama 1y ago
    >in my late teens I worked fast food and as a clerical temp worker Yes and the world you experienced decades ago doesn't exist anymore. >a clerical temp worker (I could type fast) for data entry/processing Rarely available as a job anymore in the US. People in other countries can do it for cheaper, or local people who are so thoroughly disabled that it's legal to pay them almost nothing just to give them something to do as the government pays them to survive. "Just walk in with a firm handshake" hasn't been a thing in forever. >A lot of employers are pretty understanding if you have multiple jobs and will work around your needs as much as possible. No they wont, because they can just tell you to deal with it or find someone else. If you aren't willing to take exactly the hours they give you, exactly the shifts they give you, or figure out how to cover those shifts yourself, they'll just stop giving you hours and pay someone else. Even if you have a friendly manager, corporate will fire him if he isn't pushing you hard enough. First level "managers" don't even get to manage anymore, they just follow whatever policy or some algorithms tell them they have to do.
    - tracker1 1y ago
      Well my daughter is juggling 3 part time jobs... But hey, cope however you choose.
tracker1 1y ago
I know the above may not be a popular opinion... maybe it comes from me being older than a lot of people here (50yo) and having grandparents that lived through the Great Depression. I just don't see the point in being defeatist.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  The first mention I've seen of The Great Depression. I guess most folks are too young to have had direct contact with people who lived through it. It caused decades of collective trauma. Almost the entire nation became devastatingly poor, overnight. Many folks that lived through it became compulsive hoarders.
  - tracker1 1y ago
    My great grandparents and grandparents weren't hoarders... But they were careful not to be wasreful. They would never have bought into Rubbermaid containers when there's margarine or cool whip containers that can be cleaned and reused.

JohnMakin 1y ago

Lots of low skill jobs have constantly shifting schedules given at the last possible minute (day by day sometimes) that don’t necessarily allow the time luxury of juggling multiple jobs. Fast food is a great example.

tracker1 1y ago
Not sure about that even.. in my late teens I worked fast food and as a clerical temp worker (I could type fast) for data entry/processing. The fast food job didn't have an issue scheduling me just in the evenings/weekends. A lot of employers are pretty understanding if you have multiple jobs and will work around your needs as much as possible.
- JohnMakin 1y ago
  I mean, you can not be sure all you want, but I promise you it’s this way - know from personal experience. it’s even been written about: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/28/economy/retail-fast-food-workers-jobs-schedules https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/28/economy/retail-fast-food-work...
- mrguyorama 1y ago
  >in my late teens I worked fast food and as a clerical temp worker Yes and the world you experienced decades ago doesn't exist anymore. >a clerical temp worker (I could type fast) for data entry/processing Rarely available as a job anymore in the US. People in other countries can do it for cheaper, or local people who are so thoroughly disabled that it's legal to pay them almost nothing just to give them something to do as the government pays them to survive. "Just walk in with a firm handshake" hasn't been a thing in forever. >A lot of employers are pretty understanding if you have multiple jobs and will work around your needs as much as possible. No they wont, because they can just tell you to deal with it or find someone else. If you aren't willing to take exactly the hours they give you, exactly the shifts they give you, or figure out how to cover those shifts yourself, they'll just stop giving you hours and pay someone else. Even if you have a friendly manager, corporate will fire him if he isn't pushing you hard enough. First level "managers" don't even get to manage anymore, they just follow whatever policy or some algorithms tell them they have to do.
  - tracker1 1y ago
    Well my daughter is juggling 3 part time jobs... But hey, cope however you choose.

tracker1 1y ago

I know the above may not be a popular opinion... maybe it comes from me being older than a lot of people here (50yo) and having grandparents that lived through the Great Depression. I just don't see the point in being defeatist.

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
The first mention I've seen of The Great Depression. I guess most folks are too young to have had direct contact with people who lived through it. It caused decades of collective trauma. Almost the entire nation became devastatingly poor, overnight. Many folks that lived through it became compulsive hoarders.
- tracker1 1y ago
  My great grandparents and grandparents weren't hoarders... But they were careful not to be wasreful. They would never have bought into Rubbermaid containers when there's margarine or cool whip containers that can be cleaned and reused.