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And the evidence is...a claim by an Italian writer who heard it from a former Bosnian intel officer who heard it from... But this does remind me of that excell

by sys32768 11mo ago

And the evidence is...a claim by an Italian writer who heard it from a former Bosnian intel officer who heard it from... But this does remind me of that excellent docu-series The Line about members of a Navy SEAL platoon who accused their chief of war crimes. https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-line/umc.cmc.4u53f7zokr7g40tjj4gs61xbu https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-line/umc.cmc.4u53f7zokr7g40...

causal 11mo ago
Wouldn't be the first time an Italian prosecutor went on a witch hunt based on wild conspiracy theories: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monster-of-florence-amanda-knox-prosecutors-satanic-theories-rejected-by-judge/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monster-of-florence-amanda-knox...
hansmayer 11mo ago
I mean serb snipers were already shooting the civilians en masse in Sarajevo. Its not a huge leap from that to lending the opportunity to a few depraved rich idiots. The Epstein files absolutely show you how depraved some rich folks are...
- nilamo 11mo ago
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  - hansmayer 11mo ago
    Well yeah, I am sure he hanged himself (or was hanged, depending on what really is the truth) because all those folks were visiting his island for drinks and laughs, we'll just disregard the testimonies of the abused girls, shall we?
    - nilamo 11mo ago
      I was only talking about the files that congress refuses to release. Everything you mentioned is unrelated to the files I was replying to, and nothing in what I said suggests that "nothing happened".
- smallstepforman 11mo ago
  There were snipers on all sides doing immoral things. The war in Sarajevo started when a Serbian wedding was shot up in April 1992, causing the Serbs to panic and want to secede from Bosnia & Herzegovina. Then you end up with "rights for this ethnic group but not the other", and a civil war breaks out with geopolitical meddling from foreign wanna-be powers.
  - hansmayer 11mo ago
    No please, stop puking this bullshit...if you believe that, you also believe Princip's assasination of Duke Ferdinand was the underlying cause of WW1 (and not the tensions among the great colonial powers of the time).
- gruez 11mo ago
  Doesn't this logic just cause a cascade? eg. "we all know group X is depraved, so it wouldn't surprise me that they did something even more depraved, which lends further evidence for them being depraved!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_cascade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_cascade
  - dragonwriter 11mo ago
    I think you mean “depraved” here, not “deprived”.
    - gruez 11mo ago
      thanks, edited.
  - 113 11mo ago
    Not really? That isn't the argument they were making.
kstenerud 11mo ago
No, the evidence is an Italian writer who did years of research, including a Bosnian former intelligence officer as a key source. He also uncovered that Bosnian intelligence warned the Italian secret service that this was happening. There are also specific individuals whose details have been sent to SISMI for investigation.
- deleted 11mo ago
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- gruez 11mo ago
  >No, the evidence is an Italian writer who did years of research, including a Bosnian former intelligence officer as a key source I can't read the article, but none of this really contradicts OP's point, which is that all of this hinges on hearsay. Is there any evidence presented that isn't hearsay?

causal 11mo ago

Wouldn't be the first time an Italian prosecutor went on a witch hunt based on wild conspiracy theories: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monster-of-florence-amanda-knox-prosecutors-satanic-theories-rejected-by-judge/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monster-of-florence-amanda-knox...

hansmayer 11mo ago

I mean serb snipers were already shooting the civilians en masse in Sarajevo. Its not a huge leap from that to lending the opportunity to a few depraved rich idiots. The Epstein files absolutely show you how depraved some rich folks are...

nilamo 11mo ago
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- hansmayer 11mo ago
  Well yeah, I am sure he hanged himself (or was hanged, depending on what really is the truth) because all those folks were visiting his island for drinks and laughs, we'll just disregard the testimonies of the abused girls, shall we?
  - nilamo 11mo ago
    I was only talking about the files that congress refuses to release. Everything you mentioned is unrelated to the files I was replying to, and nothing in what I said suggests that "nothing happened".
smallstepforman 11mo ago
There were snipers on all sides doing immoral things. The war in Sarajevo started when a Serbian wedding was shot up in April 1992, causing the Serbs to panic and want to secede from Bosnia & Herzegovina. Then you end up with "rights for this ethnic group but not the other", and a civil war breaks out with geopolitical meddling from foreign wanna-be powers.
- hansmayer 11mo ago
  No please, stop puking this bullshit...if you believe that, you also believe Princip's assasination of Duke Ferdinand was the underlying cause of WW1 (and not the tensions among the great colonial powers of the time).
gruez 11mo ago
Doesn't this logic just cause a cascade? eg. "we all know group X is depraved, so it wouldn't surprise me that they did something even more depraved, which lends further evidence for them being depraved!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_cascade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_cascade
- dragonwriter 11mo ago
  I think you mean “depraved” here, not “deprived”.
  - gruez 11mo ago
    thanks, edited.
- 113 11mo ago
  Not really? That isn't the argument they were making.

kstenerud 11mo ago

No, the evidence is an Italian writer who did years of research, including a Bosnian former intelligence officer as a key source. He also uncovered that Bosnian intelligence warned the Italian secret service that this was happening. There are also specific individuals whose details have been sent to SISMI for investigation.

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gruez 11mo ago
>No, the evidence is an Italian writer who did years of research, including a Bosnian former intelligence officer as a key source I can't read the article, but none of this really contradicts OP's point, which is that all of this hinges on hearsay. Is there any evidence presented that isn't hearsay?