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What a strange title. X11 is still more popular than Gnome, and formulating a wish like a fact doesn't make it so.

by benterix 11mo ago

saturn_vk 11mo ago
Do you have a source for that statistic?
- CodeArtisan 11mo ago
  Stats from Debian and Archlinux. i can't tell how reliable they are. https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=x11-common+gnome-shell https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=x11-common+g... https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/compare/packages#packages=gnome-shell,xorg-server,wayland https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/compare/packages#packages=gnom...
  - roryirvine 11mo ago
    Be aware that Debian's xwayland depends on x11-common, so your number here will be the combined total of Xorg and Wayland. You could try comparing xserver-xorg-core instead, but even then that'll only show you the number of submitters who have it installed, not the number that actually use it. The usual way to get a graphical desktop in Debian (task-desktop) pulls in both Wayland and Xorg, but uses the former by default. The best estimate would be something like the number of xserver-xorg-core installs less the number of xwayland installs. Using that method, it looks like there are roughly twice as many GNOME users as pure Xorg users.
tokai 11mo ago
Such a statement is pointless with any data to back it up.
ColonelPhantom 11mo ago
Anecdotally, I strongly doubt this is true, although my environment is probably quite biased. I know a ton of people who use Gnome, some who use KDE, and I think roughly all of these people use them with Wayland. The standalone-WM users I know are also mostly on Sway or other Wayland ones. The only real X11 holdouts seem to be people using X11-only DE's, such as Xfce or Cinnamon.
- NoGravitas 11mo ago
  Xfce is working on Wayland session support. It is working now with some limitations (limitations on what you can embed in the panel are all that's left, I think).
- freehorse 11mo ago
  Pretty much possible to use gnome and x11 (until now). Personally I have given up with wayland as in years ago. There will always be something I should not have wanted to do in the first place while using wayland. I would rather use x11 and have much better control.
- eqvinox 11mo ago
  > I think roughly all of these people use them with Wayland. While we're making unfounded statements based on our own anecdotal experiences: can't speak for Gnome users (very few in my circle), but for KDE and tiling window manager users, it's a lot of X11. Hard to say exactly, but would put it at ≥50% X11.
  - tapoxi 11mo ago
    KDE Plasma defaults to Wayland as of KDE 6, with X11 scheduled for removal whenever 7 is released.
    - eqvinox 11mo ago
      I'm talking actual usage, not defaults, and nothing I said relates to future KDE plans.

What a strange title. X11 is still more popular than Gnome, and formulating a wish like a fact doesn't make it so.

saturn_vk 11mo ago

Do you have a source for that statistic?

CodeArtisan 11mo ago
Stats from Debian and Archlinux. i can't tell how reliable they are. https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=x11-common+gnome-shell https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=x11-common+g... https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/compare/packages#packages=gnome-shell,xorg-server,wayland https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/compare/packages#packages=gnom...
- roryirvine 11mo ago
  Be aware that Debian's xwayland depends on x11-common, so your number here will be the combined total of Xorg and Wayland. You could try comparing xserver-xorg-core instead, but even then that'll only show you the number of submitters who have it installed, not the number that actually use it. The usual way to get a graphical desktop in Debian (task-desktop) pulls in both Wayland and Xorg, but uses the former by default. The best estimate would be something like the number of xserver-xorg-core installs less the number of xwayland installs. Using that method, it looks like there are roughly twice as many GNOME users as pure Xorg users.

tokai 11mo ago

Such a statement is pointless with any data to back it up.

ColonelPhantom 11mo ago

Anecdotally, I strongly doubt this is true, although my environment is probably quite biased. I know a ton of people who use Gnome, some who use KDE, and I think roughly all of these people use them with Wayland. The standalone-WM users I know are also mostly on Sway or other Wayland ones. The only real X11 holdouts seem to be people using X11-only DE's, such as Xfce or Cinnamon.

NoGravitas 11mo ago
Xfce is working on Wayland session support. It is working now with some limitations (limitations on what you can embed in the panel are all that's left, I think).
freehorse 11mo ago
Pretty much possible to use gnome and x11 (until now). Personally I have given up with wayland as in years ago. There will always be something I should not have wanted to do in the first place while using wayland. I would rather use x11 and have much better control.
eqvinox 11mo ago
> I think roughly all of these people use them with Wayland. While we're making unfounded statements based on our own anecdotal experiences: can't speak for Gnome users (very few in my circle), but for KDE and tiling window manager users, it's a lot of X11. Hard to say exactly, but would put it at ≥50% X11.
- tapoxi 11mo ago
  KDE Plasma defaults to Wayland as of KDE 6, with X11 scheduled for removal whenever 7 is released.
  - eqvinox 11mo ago
    I'm talking actual usage, not defaults, and nothing I said relates to future KDE plans.