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> We are expanding our Verified program to include ratings for Steam Machine, so customers can understand how their games will run. They are very upfront about

> We are expanding our Verified program to include ratings for Steam Machine, so customers can understand how their games will run. They are very upfront about it.

sylware 11mo ago
"Verified" does not mean they will technically (and legally) support the game until its "EOS", unfortunately. One unfortunate patch (past the "refund" time limit), valve proton side or game side, and compat is gone. And those patches do happen. BTW, that's why I play only F2P games (without paying for any micro-transaction) via proton. Yep, PROTON = 0 BUCKS. Valve won't provide that support: there is no way valve is going to hire tens to hundreds of advanced system devs in order to QA 100% of the "verified games" and fix their proton and/or contact the game devs to work on game patch fixes, that until those games go EOS. The other side is the game devs doing QA of their game on a linux box with proton anyway (which is 101 retarded if their game engine has already everything linux since they could build their game native linux distribution just there)... and I tell you as a system dev: fixing bugs on linux + proton is hell since there is the additional ultra-complex layer which is proton on top of the video game core software of elf/linux. This diarrhea of software engineering is what we can experience with enshitified corporate software.
- npteljes 11mo ago
  In my opinion, the game only has to work for the hours the player enjoys them. Once I figured this out for myself, I became much more relaxed towards all of this. Buying is not owning, just licensing? Streaming means I don't have a local copy? Abandoned means I cannot replay the game in absence of activation servers, or the system becoming obsolete? Man, I don't care at all. When I want to play, I look at what's available to me, I choose, I play, I have fun, I create memories via screenshots and video, and then I go on my merry way. There is no need to be so serious about this stuff, we're not here to save the world, just to have some fun with some software. And so, proton is a ton of fun. I last played Catherine with it, on the Deck. The game had bugs, sometimes it crashed to desktop. And it only ran via one specific proton config, which I had to download myself. Did I have fun? My god, best game ever. Best €5 I ever spent.
  - sylware 11mo ago
    What are you talking about? There is no official and legally required technical support for proton, requirement in tons of countries around the world. The second there is a payment with real money, it is a scam. In other words: PROTON = 0 BUCKS (and that includes micro-transactions), or this is a scam and very probably illegal dude.
    - npteljes 11mo ago
      I'm talking about being more relaxed to this kind of stuff. The world is full of wonders, and problems. Most of them deserving more attention than this non-issue. Proton, and Valve's rating system is working fine.
      - sylware 11mo ago
        Don't do drugs mate. But the right way to fix this, is valve hiring tens to hundreds of advanced system devs in order to QA (replay the games, 100%, at each patch proton side or game side) and technically support (omega-hell, because of the additional ultra-complex layer which is proton) all the games sold on elf/linux+proton. Unless the game devs are ready to deal with the software diarrhea of the debugging hell which is elf/linux+proton, valve, at each transaction which is buying a windows game on a elf/linux platform, a clear disclaimer should be given to the user if no official support is provided, or even blocked if illegal in the country of the transaction. Obviously, it may backfire. Don't forget: elf/linux + proton(wine) is a diarrhea of software engineering, 101 example of corporate grade software enshitification. Compared to windows, this "thing", has the decency to be free as in free beer and can be customized deeply, namely, remove tons of things, even though the tantrums of the steam client are seriously annoying and do force upon us very expensive linux "features"... aka only because too few elf/linux system devs at valve are competent enough to generate 'correct' elf binaries for broad elf/linux distro compat. If the "steamdeck" continues to grow and the steam machine is enough of a success, game devs will be inclined to provide a native elf/linux build, much easier to technically support. In the meantime, PROTON = 0 BUCKS is the only sane and honest way...

> We are expanding our Verified program to include ratings for Steam Machine, so customers can understand how their games will run. They are very upfront about it.

sylware 11mo ago

"Verified" does not mean they will technically (and legally) support the game until its "EOS", unfortunately. One unfortunate patch (past the "refund" time limit), valve proton side or game side, and compat is gone. And those patches do happen. BTW, that's why I play only F2P games (without paying for any micro-transaction) via proton. Yep, PROTON = 0 BUCKS. Valve won't provide that support: there is no way valve is going to hire tens to hundreds of advanced system devs in order to QA 100% of the "verified games" and fix their proton and/or contact the game devs to work on game patch fixes, that until those games go EOS. The other side is the game devs doing QA of their game on a linux box with proton anyway (which is 101 retarded if their game engine has already everything linux since they could build their game native linux distribution just there)... and I tell you as a system dev: fixing bugs on linux + proton is hell since there is the additional ultra-complex layer which is proton on top of the video game core software of elf/linux. This diarrhea of software engineering is what we can experience with enshitified corporate software.

npteljes 11mo ago
In my opinion, the game only has to work for the hours the player enjoys them. Once I figured this out for myself, I became much more relaxed towards all of this. Buying is not owning, just licensing? Streaming means I don't have a local copy? Abandoned means I cannot replay the game in absence of activation servers, or the system becoming obsolete? Man, I don't care at all. When I want to play, I look at what's available to me, I choose, I play, I have fun, I create memories via screenshots and video, and then I go on my merry way. There is no need to be so serious about this stuff, we're not here to save the world, just to have some fun with some software. And so, proton is a ton of fun. I last played Catherine with it, on the Deck. The game had bugs, sometimes it crashed to desktop. And it only ran via one specific proton config, which I had to download myself. Did I have fun? My god, best game ever. Best €5 I ever spent.
- sylware 11mo ago
  What are you talking about? There is no official and legally required technical support for proton, requirement in tons of countries around the world. The second there is a payment with real money, it is a scam. In other words: PROTON = 0 BUCKS (and that includes micro-transactions), or this is a scam and very probably illegal dude.
  - npteljes 11mo ago
    I'm talking about being more relaxed to this kind of stuff. The world is full of wonders, and problems. Most of them deserving more attention than this non-issue. Proton, and Valve's rating system is working fine.
    - sylware 11mo ago
      Don't do drugs mate. But the right way to fix this, is valve hiring tens to hundreds of advanced system devs in order to QA (replay the games, 100%, at each patch proton side or game side) and technically support (omega-hell, because of the additional ultra-complex layer which is proton) all the games sold on elf/linux+proton. Unless the game devs are ready to deal with the software diarrhea of the debugging hell which is elf/linux+proton, valve, at each transaction which is buying a windows game on a elf/linux platform, a clear disclaimer should be given to the user if no official support is provided, or even blocked if illegal in the country of the transaction. Obviously, it may backfire. Don't forget: elf/linux + proton(wine) is a diarrhea of software engineering, 101 example of corporate grade software enshitification. Compared to windows, this "thing", has the decency to be free as in free beer and can be customized deeply, namely, remove tons of things, even though the tantrums of the steam client are seriously annoying and do force upon us very expensive linux "features"... aka only because too few elf/linux system devs at valve are competent enough to generate 'correct' elf binaries for broad elf/linux distro compat. If the "steamdeck" continues to grow and the steam machine is enough of a success, game devs will be inclined to provide a native elf/linux build, much easier to technically support. In the meantime, PROTON = 0 BUCKS is the only sane and honest way...