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That would kind of destroy the whole rationale for corporations to exist.

viraptor 1y ago
Sounds good? I mean, we tried the whole corporation without responsibility for quite a while. It doesn't seem to work very well and especially on HN there's at least one post reminding us of that every day.
- tbrownaw 1y ago
  Isn't that just because the successes are invisible?
  - viraptor 1y ago
    Successes are still visible... But maybe we'd be ok with fewer successes and fewer failures?
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> That would kind of destroy the whole rationale for corporations to exist For management? Not at all. It's almost just customary that employment agreements don't make employees, including senior managers, personally liable for their mistakes. You'd just have to pay Board members and executives boatloads more. (Or, more accurately, they'd be able to justify more pay for the risk. And then go and purchase insurance to offload it anyway.)
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  Might have to be shank insurance, if they get real jail time. I’m all for paying folks that legitimately have real power and responsibility, very well, but I would also hold them to rigorous standards. For example, police. A cop having a bad day, can ruin your whole life. Pay the cop well, but also, ruin their life, if they abuse their power. Again, we’re in the Dark Timeline, so that won’t happen.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Might have to be shank insurance, if they get real jail You’d have a difficult time proving intent, nevertheless. The only practical solution is reducing the standard of proof, which is historically a straight line to hard oligarchy. > A cop having a bad day, can ruin your whole life. Pay the cop well, but also, ruin their life, if they abuse their power Cops deal in violence, which is far more black and white than e.g. being a hotelier. That said, starting with cops is a good idea. Culture of responsibility and all that.

Sounds good? I mean, we tried the whole corporation without responsibility for quite a while. It doesn't seem to work very well and especially on HN there's at least one post reminding us of that every day.

tbrownaw 1y ago
Isn't that just because the successes are invisible?
- viraptor 1y ago
  Successes are still visible... But maybe we'd be ok with fewer successes and fewer failures?

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> That would kind of destroy the whole rationale for corporations to exist For management? Not at all. It's almost just customary that employment agreements don't make employees, including senior managers, personally liable for their mistakes. You'd just have to pay Board members and executives boatloads more. (Or, more accurately, they'd be able to justify more pay for the risk. And then go and purchase insurance to offload it anyway.)

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
Might have to be shank insurance, if they get real jail time. I’m all for paying folks that legitimately have real power and responsibility, very well, but I would also hold them to rigorous standards. For example, police. A cop having a bad day, can ruin your whole life. Pay the cop well, but also, ruin their life, if they abuse their power. Again, we’re in the Dark Timeline, so that won’t happen.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Might have to be shank insurance, if they get real jail You’d have a difficult time proving intent, nevertheless. The only practical solution is reducing the standard of proof, which is historically a straight line to hard oligarchy. > A cop having a bad day, can ruin your whole life. Pay the cop well, but also, ruin their life, if they abuse their power Cops deal in violence, which is far more black and white than e.g. being a hotelier. That said, starting with cops is a good idea. Culture of responsibility and all that.