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I was staying in a apartment in London a long time ago and a Sunday(!) bailiffs came and kicked everyone in the building out in 3 hours. The reason was that the

by gip 11mo ago

I was staying in a apartment in London a long time ago and a Sunday(!) bailiffs came and kicked everyone in the building out in 3 hours. The reason was that the rent hadn't been paid to the building owner by the management company. Most people just left and lost the rent they had paid. These things happen and there are no protection for tenants unfortunately.

SoftTalker 11mo ago
And there was no prior warning? That seems unreasonable but maybe it happened that way.
- vkou 11mo ago
  This is unreasonable. In any just society, the bailiffs would be slapping cuffs on the owners of the management company, while the tenants would get notice. You can't throw someone out of their home without notice because you have a business dispute with some third party.
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  - gruez 11mo ago
    >In any just society, the bailiffs would be slapping cuffs on the owners of the management company, while the tenants would get notice. ...for leasing to a hotel chain that later went bankrupt? >You can't throw someone out of their home without notice because you have a business dispute with some third party. It's a hotel. Hotels typically have less tenant rights than long-term accommodations.
    - vkou 11mo ago
      > ...for leasing to a hotel chain that later went bankrupt? No, the story in the great-grandparent's post is not about a hotel, it's about a residential lease where: 1. They were paying rent to a property management company who managed a building's apartments. 2. The property management company stopped paying rent to the building owner. 3. The building owner had the police throw out every person living in those apartments with 0 day notice. The person at fault is #2 - the property management company. That is who the building owner's dispute is with. It is criminal that the people who were thrown out onto the street with zero notice were the tenants who have up to this point upheld their end of the agreement. The bar for getting thrown out of your home should be far higher than the bar for getting thrown out of your hotel room.
      - SoftTalker 11mo ago
        Still a weird story. Leases are contracts and they survive pretty much anything including the sale of the property to another owner. As long as the rent is being paid I don’t see how eviction would be justified.
Electricniko 11mo ago
The UK government just enacted a law last week that gives tenants in England a lot more protection against that kind of thing. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guide-to-the-renters-rights-act/guide-to-the-renters-rights-act https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guide-to-the-rent...
- ajb 11mo ago
  That's for long term rentals, and what gp describes was already illegal action against against a normal long term tenant . In the UK a tenancy is a property right not just a contract -it's a right to a specific property, not just a contract with a person. So if the tenancy was executed with the consent of the owner, they can't just kick out the tenants even if the management company didn't pay them . That's because the tenants right to the property isn't just via the chain of contracts between them and the owner. For a hotel room or Airbnb, or a lodger, very different rules apply

by gip 11mo ago

SoftTalker 11mo ago

And there was no prior warning? That seems unreasonable but maybe it happened that way.

vkou 11mo ago
This is unreasonable. In any just society, the bailiffs would be slapping cuffs on the owners of the management company, while the tenants would get notice. You can't throw someone out of their home without notice because you have a business dispute with some third party.
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- gruez 11mo ago
  >In any just society, the bailiffs would be slapping cuffs on the owners of the management company, while the tenants would get notice. ...for leasing to a hotel chain that later went bankrupt? >You can't throw someone out of their home without notice because you have a business dispute with some third party. It's a hotel. Hotels typically have less tenant rights than long-term accommodations.
  - vkou 11mo ago
    > ...for leasing to a hotel chain that later went bankrupt? No, the story in the great-grandparent's post is not about a hotel, it's about a residential lease where: 1. They were paying rent to a property management company who managed a building's apartments. 2. The property management company stopped paying rent to the building owner. 3. The building owner had the police throw out every person living in those apartments with 0 day notice. The person at fault is #2 - the property management company. That is who the building owner's dispute is with. It is criminal that the people who were thrown out onto the street with zero notice were the tenants who have up to this point upheld their end of the agreement. The bar for getting thrown out of your home should be far higher than the bar for getting thrown out of your hotel room.
    - SoftTalker 11mo ago
      Still a weird story. Leases are contracts and they survive pretty much anything including the sale of the property to another owner. As long as the rent is being paid I don’t see how eviction would be justified.

Electricniko 11mo ago

The UK government just enacted a law last week that gives tenants in England a lot more protection against that kind of thing. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guide-to-the-renters-rights-act/guide-to-the-renters-rights-act https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guide-to-the-rent...

ajb 11mo ago
That's for long term rentals, and what gp describes was already illegal action against against a normal long term tenant . In the UK a tenancy is a property right not just a contract -it's a right to a specific property, not just a contract with a person. So if the tenancy was executed with the consent of the owner, they can't just kick out the tenants even if the management company didn't pay them . That's because the tenants right to the property isn't just via the chain of contracts between them and the owner. For a hotel room or Airbnb, or a lodger, very different rules apply